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Apr 1, 2014 22:21:05   #
Gone Off Shore Loc: Philadelphia, PA
 
Hal81 wrote:
Your wife needs to look for a better ins.


I don't think so.

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Apr 1, 2014 22:24:10   #
venturer9 Loc: Newton, Il.
 
Gone Off Shore wrote:
I don't think so.



You guys on here DO realize don't you that for every Success story one side comes up with, a non success story can be offered by the other side....

I have 5 children..... 2 have had bad luck, 2 have had good luck and one hasn't tried....... the 2 and 2 all live in the same county in Illinois that I do... The one that hasn't tried lives in Arizona...

????????

Mike

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Apr 1, 2014 23:27:04   #
Blenheim Orange Loc: Michigan
 
venturer9 wrote:
for every Success story one side comes up with, a non success story can be offered by the other side...


That is always a tip-off right there that it is not a debate about anything of substance, that it is another of these meaningless feuds that the people in power create so as to keep us all fighting with each other and keep them in power.

Mike

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Apr 1, 2014 23:57:02   #
Hal81 Loc: Bucks County, Pa.
 
Gone Off Shore wrote:
I don't think so.


If your in philly look into Keystyone health plan. We don't pay nowhere near that much. Our ins. fee went down last year but our copays went from $15 to $18 a visit.

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Apr 2, 2014 02:27:14   #
UP-2-IT Loc: RED STICK, LA
 
Harvey wrote:
I have a disabled 60 yr old close friend who is on SS disability and in the need of a hip replacement and has no insurance.

I went to the ACA site - followed the direction, typed in his pertinent information - the rate quotes started at $480 a month and went up - I quit looking when they got above $600. The lowest would be over 1/3 of his income. Not quite what I would call affordable for him and I can imagine many others.

Obummer Care is still a broken program. IMHO
Harvey


Harvey, there are subsidies available for your friend to help with the cost of Insurance.

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Apr 2, 2014 08:54:09   #
Penny MG Loc: Fresno, Texas
 
sueyeisert wrote:
Well if doctors aren't happy with ACA when they had the opportunity they should have helped design it. I don't feel sorry for doctors compare them with doctors England, France etc.


Who said they didn't try to help. They DID through their governing bodies like the American Medical Association, American association of electrodiagnostic medicine and others. But don't you remember "we have to pass it so we know what's in it"? By that time it was too late. The democrats weren't looking for changes....they were just looking to implement the plan so it looked like they accomplished something. How will you feel when there aren't enough doctors to handle the masses because they are getting out of the medical field so they don't have to put up with the crap they are being handed? NO doctor should go unpaid because of the patient's inability or neglect to pay their insurance bill. It is not the doctor's fault, period.

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Apr 2, 2014 08:59:24   #
Penny MG Loc: Fresno, Texas
 
Kombiguy wrote:
You misunderstand me completely.
First, the idea that the rich become wealthy at the expense of the poor would only be true in a zero-sum economy. We do not have that.
Second, I wish nobody were poor. To that end, I do what I can to contribute to and support charitable endeavors. I believe that private charity is better at delivering social needs than the government. Compelling me to pay for other peoples needs isn't charitable, it's theft. It's also, when the government is involved, massively inefficient. That's part of the argument for limited powers.
Third, I agree. Military spending is wasteful and inefficient. We should be more frugal with my, and your, money. However, we all know that last thing government is is frugal.
Fourth, anyone who has witnessed America's educational decline and still believes the government can do a better job of education than the private sector is either grossly ignorant of the depths to which we have sunk, or is whistling past the graveyard.
I am in general agreement with your sentiments. I wish well for all men, and I wish to see none fail. But limited government and private relief is a much better approach to solving the problems.
You misunderstand me completely. br First, the id... (show quote)


nicely stated Kombiguy! :thumbup:

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Apr 2, 2014 09:58:57   #
pecohen Loc: Central Maine
 
BigBear wrote:
It doesn't matter how anyone feels about the uninsured.
The government has no business doing anything with healthcare or any other personal care.
Healthcare is not a right, it is a privilege like owning a car.

And who decides what is the business of government? You, me, who?

We can all point to the Constitution, maybe the Federalist Papers or even the personal correspondence of the Founders to make points. The fact is that most of us can find clauses in the Constitution that to us seem simply ignored today or perhaps distorted by Supreme Court decisions beyond all recognition. These arguments seem to lead nowhere.

Perhaps we should be looking at conditions and trends in the country and be paying more attention to what kind of country we want to live in. To me, that seems a better guide for what government and people should be doing than to endlessly debate what is the "right" thing to do based on our own sense of right or wrong (never someone else's) or on what the founders thought.

There was a speech on the Senate floor recently that seems to take this approach and that somehow seems related to the discussion here. You might want to take a few minutes to watch and consider it.

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQOCfweYLrE&feature=player_embedded

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Apr 2, 2014 10:53:44   #
Kombiguy Loc: Cedar Rapids, IA
 
pecohen wrote:
And who decides what is the business of government? You, me, who?

We can all point to the Constitution, maybe the Federalist Papers or even the personal correspondence of the Founders to make points. The fact is that most of us can find clauses in the Constitution that to us seem simply ignored today or perhaps distorted by Supreme Court decisions beyond all recognition. These arguments seem to lead nowhere.

Perhaps we should be looking at conditions and trends in the country and be paying more attention to what kind of country we want to live in. To me, that seems a better guide for what government and people should be doing than to endlessly debate what is the "right" thing to do based on our own sense of right or wrong (never someone else's) or on what the founders thought.

There was a speech on the Senate floor recently that seems to take this approach and that somehow seems related to the discussion here. You might want to take a few minutes to watch and consider it.

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQOCfweYLrE&feature=player_embedded
And who decides what is the business of government... (show quote)


Yeah, I agree. Screw the constitution. Let's all just do what feels good. Hey, Obama's seems like a decent guy, let's just make him the King, and he'll fix up all our problems.

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Apr 2, 2014 16:11:57   #
pecohen Loc: Central Maine
 
Kombiguy wrote:
Screw the constitution. Let's all just do what feels good. Hey, Obama's seems like a decent guy, let's just make him the King, and he'll fix up all our problems.

Well that is interesting. I'd never considered these kinds of changes and as usual I don't agree with you, but these do seem to be original ideas. It shows you're thinking.

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Apr 2, 2014 16:40:07   #
Kombiguy Loc: Cedar Rapids, IA
 
pecohen wrote:
Well that is interesting. I'd never considered these kinds of changes and as usual I don't agree with you, but these do seem to be original ideas. It shows you're thinking.


Once again you misunderstand me. I was mocking your irrationality.

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Apr 2, 2014 17:01:44   #
Blenheim Orange Loc: Michigan
 
Penny MG wrote:
The democrats weren't looking for changes....they were just looking to implement the plan so it looked like they accomplished something.


No doubt about that. Also as a payback to their campaign donors from the health care corporations.

Mike

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Apr 2, 2014 17:26:33   #
pecohen Loc: Central Maine
 
Kombiguy wrote:
Once again you misunderstand me. I was mocking your irrationality.

I didn't misunderstand you; I was mocking your irrationality.

By the way there was a typo. I should have said it shows your thinking.

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Apr 2, 2014 20:52:04   #
Kombiguy Loc: Cedar Rapids, IA
 
pecohen wrote:
I didn't misunderstand you; I was mocking your irrationality.

By the way there was a typo. I should have said it shows your thinking.


Except it wouldn't be my thinking. When you ask who should decide, I say let the constitution decide. It lays out very simply what their powers are. All we have to do is read it, and follow it.

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Apr 2, 2014 21:05:54   #
BigBear Loc: Northern CT
 
Kombiguy wrote:
Except it wouldn't be my thinking. When you ask who should decide, I say let the constitution decide. It lays out very simply what their powers are. All we have to do is read it, and follow it.


I think the problem is that there aren't enough people who know what the Constitution is. The liberal schools have stopped teaching about it years ago as if it doesn't exist.
But as they say, 'Ignorance is no excuse for breaking the law'.
We have to keep them accountable or throw them out.

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