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Police Stingray
Mar 26, 2014 08:53:21   #
dirty dave
 
I was shown an electronic device called a stingray that is being sold to police departments. This device can track cell phones, listen to your conversations, and has the capability to go back 18 days to retrieve calls. All of this without a warrant. I know Hoggers love to research things so here is something to research was I being handed a line of crap or is there something to it. Could this be conceived as a infringement of our right to privacy

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Mar 26, 2014 09:04:17   #
OlinBost Loc: Marietta, Ga.
 
I am going to check with someone I know with the FCC.

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Mar 26, 2014 09:06:20   #
chase4 Loc: Punta Corona, California
 
I think nowhere in the Constitution it says anything about US citizens having a "right to privacy". It seems now that the Constitution means little or nothing to most of the folks in all three branches of our government. Perhaps we should ask the NSA, CIA, FBI etc. "Toto, we're not in Kansas anymore". QED

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Mar 26, 2014 09:24:36   #
FrumCA
 
dirty dave wrote:
I was shown an electronic device called a stingray that is being sold to police departments. This device can track cell phones, listen to your conversations, and has the capability to go back 18 days to retrieve calls. All of this without a warrant. I know Hoggers love to research things so here is something to research was I being handed a line of crap or is there something to it. Could this be conceived as a infringement of our right to privacy


Stingray phone tracker
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
A stingray is an electronic surveillance device for remotely capturing data from mobile telephones.[1] It is designed to simulate a cell tower and capture information, including location data, which can be done even when the phone is not being used to make a call.[1][2] A stingray can be carried by hand or mounted on a vehicle, such as an unmanned aerial vehicle.[2]
The Harris Corporation produces the device.[3]

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Mar 26, 2014 09:28:08   #
Athanar Wellington Loc: Barboursville, VA
 
Some years back, local poachers had very sophisticated hand - held radios. I had an acquaintance who bought a scanner at Radio Shack who figured out the channel the thieves used. He spent hours trying to figure out who they were (they used call names like "Garfield") and where they were. They outfoxed him but at least he was doing something to defend himself. There were also widely sold Radio Shack ham radios. I had nosy neighbors who listened to truckers talking or communicated all over the world. Listening devices as small as tacks have been around for more than 25 years. Eisenhower had a nephew with a pleasure boat installed with high tech devices which did get him dragged into court because some black mail was involved. Gps devices in cell phones are used for tracking or separate ones can be stuck on cars or hidden. Lawyers are adroit in finding ways to defend their criminal clients by making the good guys wrong and using the pitiful defense of invasion of privacy but yay for the stingray and the traffic cam and the business surveillance cams! Mostly they are useful after the crime but nobody would buy them if they were useless and too many people use variants (like parents tracking their kids' cell phones) to outlaw them. (My opinion).

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Mar 26, 2014 10:10:09   #
geclevel Loc: Springville, Utah
 
FrumCA wrote:
Stingray phone tracker
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
A stingray is an electronic surveillance device for remotely capturing data from mobile telephones.[1] It is designed to simulate a cell tower and capture information, including location data, which can be done even when the phone is not being used to make a call.[1][2] A stingray can be carried by hand or mounted on a vehicle, such as an unmanned aerial vehicle.[2]
The Harris Corporation produces the device.[3]


Interesting.

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Mar 26, 2014 10:29:04   #
pbearperry Loc: Massachusetts
 
I thought this thread was going to be about a pursuit car made by the Chevy Corvette people.ol

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Mar 26, 2014 11:05:31   #
HEART Loc: God's Country - COLORADO
 
Full article on the stingray, from March 24:

http://www.webpronews.com/stingray-local-cops-track-cell-phones-like-nsa-2014-03

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Mar 26, 2014 11:27:52   #
Swamp Gator Loc: Coastal South Carolina
 
pbearperry wrote:
I thought this thread was going to be about a pursuit car made by the Chevy Corvette people.ol


That's the first thing I thought of too.


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Mar 27, 2014 09:55:47   #
Cragzop Loc: NYC
 
chase4 wrote:
I think nowhere in the Constitution it says anything about US citizens having a "right to privacy". It seems now that the Constitution means little or nothing to most of the folks in all three branches of our government. Perhaps we should ask the NSA, CIA, FBI etc. "Toto, we're not in Kansas anymore". QED


3rd Amendment), privacy of the person and possessions as against unreasonable searches (4th Amendment), and the 5th Amendment's privilege against self-incrimination, which provides protection for the privacy of personal information.

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Mar 27, 2014 10:45:18   #
chase4 Loc: Punta Corona, California
 
Cragzop wrote:
3rd Amendment), privacy of the person and possessions as against unreasonable searches (4th Amendment), and the 5th Amendment's privilege against self-incrimination, which provides protection for the privacy of personal information.


It's all in the interpretation of the document I guess:

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Mar 27, 2014 11:49:10   #
Cragzop Loc: NYC
 
chase4 wrote:
It's all in the interpretation of the document I guess:


I think there is no blanket "right to privacy" clause in the Constitution, but I think the amendments I cited deal specifically with the issue of this "Stingray" device capturing private information without a subpoena.

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Mar 27, 2014 13:05:10   #
jimmya Loc: Phoenix
 
dirty dave wrote:
I was shown an electronic device called a stingray that is being sold to police departments. This device can track cell phones, listen to your conversations, and has the capability to go back 18 days to retrieve calls. All of this without a warrant. I know Hoggers love to research things so here is something to research was I being handed a line of crap or is there something to it. Could this be conceived as a infringement of our right to privacy


To me, if it's true, no infringement if it's used properly as in tracking down criminals.

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Mar 27, 2014 13:14:43   #
uppics Loc: rockford, il, usa
 
chase4 wrote:
I think nowhere in the Constitution it says anything about US citizens having a "right to privacy". It seems now that the Constitution means little or nothing to most of the folks in all three branches of our government. Perhaps we should ask the NSA, CIA, FBI etc. "Toto, we're not in Kansas anymore". QED


you're correct; however americans are secure in their private papers and homes etc. except when a search warrant has been issued. see the fourth amendment for further clarification.

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Mar 27, 2014 13:22:30   #
sinatraman Loc: Vero Beach Florida, Earth,alpha quaudrant
 
anything that is brodcast on the public owned airwaves has no expectation of privacy. anyone has the right to listen in. why do you think police/fire scanners are legal? best bet if you are doing something illegal, use landline phones which require a warrant in order to bug.

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