W/R Opinion on the Critique section
Mar 23, 2014 02:08:54 #
My other thread got a bit lost so I start this one as a place for people who wish to provide their opinions on the Photo Critique and Analysis Forum.
I will stay right out of it.
Rob.
I will stay right out of it.
Rob.
Mar 23, 2014 04:17:05 #
lighthouse
Loc: No Fixed Abode
The ball is still in your court Rob.
You can choose which direction you take from here on in.
The decision is yours.
You can continue in the way you have been, or you can start treating people with respect.
So far, you aren't going too good are you?
You can choose which direction you take from here on in.
The decision is yours.
You can continue in the way you have been, or you can start treating people with respect.
So far, you aren't going too good are you?
Mar 23, 2014 04:18:26 #
My opinion is it needs to slowly fade into the sunset. It needs to have regulations that are not going to change on a whim.
It needs stability and knowledge. Both are sorely lacking. It has gone from one extreme to the next.....from a place where you could seek out help and answers to a formal critique section. No one, except the moderator, knows what is acceptable from day to day. And even if you do give an opinionated, proper critique, the moderator can eliminate your comments if they so choose, so that leads one to feel the whole section is an exercise in futility and trying to contribute in any way is pointless.
And don't you know, any constructive conversation on the topic will be derailed before it even gets started, so good luck with this one, W/R
It needs stability and knowledge. Both are sorely lacking. It has gone from one extreme to the next.....from a place where you could seek out help and answers to a formal critique section. No one, except the moderator, knows what is acceptable from day to day. And even if you do give an opinionated, proper critique, the moderator can eliminate your comments if they so choose, so that leads one to feel the whole section is an exercise in futility and trying to contribute in any way is pointless.
And don't you know, any constructive conversation on the topic will be derailed before it even gets started, so good luck with this one, W/R
Mar 23, 2014 04:25:03 #
lighthouse
Loc: No Fixed Abode
My opinion is that if you don't like it then don't go there.
If you do want to help it grow into something better, then participate as a productive member.
But why do you continually try to discourage others from going there by voicing your opinions of it's inadequacies, and garnering other people to say the same thing?
You are trying to destroy it with dissent.
What is the purpose of starting this thread to say the same things all over again?
The ball is still in your court Rob.
You can choose which direction you take from here on in.
The decision is yours.
If you do want to help it grow into something better, then participate as a productive member.
But why do you continually try to discourage others from going there by voicing your opinions of it's inadequacies, and garnering other people to say the same thing?
You are trying to destroy it with dissent.
What is the purpose of starting this thread to say the same things all over again?
The ball is still in your court Rob.
You can choose which direction you take from here on in.
The decision is yours.
Mar 23, 2014 04:56:24 #
lighthouse
Loc: No Fixed Abode
Rob sent me a PM detailing how he wasn't going to input this thread.
Obviously he is trying to coerce me into putting his restriction on myself.
Here is my reply to him.
That is your choice.
The thread is on my watchlist.
I will comment if I want to.
Its a free site.
I can comment on any thread in the Main Discussion section that I want to.
What I won't do is denigrate any boards moderators and participants and try to get a heap of rabble rousers to go along with me - its a pity you can't say the same.
Obviously he is trying to coerce me into putting his restriction on myself.
Here is my reply to him.
That is your choice.
The thread is on my watchlist.
I will comment if I want to.
Its a free site.
I can comment on any thread in the Main Discussion section that I want to.
What I won't do is denigrate any boards moderators and participants and try to get a heap of rabble rousers to go along with me - its a pity you can't say the same.
Mar 23, 2014 06:56:53 #
lighthouse wrote:
I don't go there and I do not comment as I was told to stay in the Photo Gallery and my participation was not wanted. How is that encouraging and yes, as long as that kind of attitude exists in the moderators, I will not participate and I will voice my opinion elsewhere that changes are needed. DRASTICALLY NEEDED and I really doubt I'm the only person on this forum that feels this way.My opinion is that if you don't like it then don't... (show quote)
You take exception with W/R and make any discussion on the matter irrelevant as well. If a discussion were allowed.......hint hint.....then some relevant points might be addressed and it might turn into the section many of us hoped for to begin with....not a glorified cheering section for some to stroke their egos.
Twenty or more other sections have been started on this forum without all the hoopla this one has engendered. That alone shows that something is not right....doncha think????
And that is my last comment on the subject. This thread is all yours now to rant and rave or praise all you want to.
Mar 23, 2014 07:00:14 #
lighthouse wrote:
...The thread is on my watchlist. ...
Let's see if this dies without the participation of the people that exchanged so many pleasantries on the other thread. Some fresh ideas might be helpful.
Mar 23, 2014 07:18:57 #
Well, I am new here, but I've decided not to visit a place where that are asking for comments and critiques. Generally I have found no honest comments on other sites. I've seem people post photos that were 7 stops under exposed and others will comment that it is the best photo the've ever seen. The goal of making comments is not to tear down individuals, but to help them to become better photographers. That rerely means lying to them and telling them they are doing great work.
Its almost like they are afraid the OP may become a better photographer and then compete with them if they give some good advice. Or maybe the people who frequent these sections of boards don't really know anything about photography themselves.
When they ask for advice how does telling them you love the photograph help? No I stay away from those sections because posters seem to have a need to get stroked, they dont want real criticism. Either that or responders have some motherly need to make them feel good about themselves!
Its almost like they are afraid the OP may become a better photographer and then compete with them if they give some good advice. Or maybe the people who frequent these sections of boards don't really know anything about photography themselves.
When they ask for advice how does telling them you love the photograph help? No I stay away from those sections because posters seem to have a need to get stroked, they dont want real criticism. Either that or responders have some motherly need to make them feel good about themselves!
Mar 23, 2014 08:21:20 #
I'd have to go along with capture48 ...., there have been some atrocious photos displayed here that have received praise from viewers. Seems like they are trying to be too nice or, simply don't know what constitutes a good photo. Either way, the OP has not learned anything and has possibly been encouraged to continue taking mediocre photos. Constructive criticism is good. That means, if you say it's not good, try to explain why in a way that will encourage the OP to try again. Make it a learning experience.
Mar 23, 2014 08:25:48 #
lighthouse
Loc: No Fixed Abode
You know, Capture48 (who has never been there apparently but feels qualified to comment on what its like) and Sony580, if those are your greivances you could change the world by going there and giving an honest critique.
Mar 23, 2014 08:46:31 #
lighthouse wrote:
You know, Capture48 (who has never been there apparently but feels qualified to comment on what its like) and Sony580, if those are your greivances you could change the world by going there and giving an honest critique.
Alexander Solzhenitsyn once said to taste the sea one only needs one gulp! And I have tasted enough boards to know what is there.
Mar 23, 2014 08:51:56 #
lighthouse wrote:
You know, Capture48 (who has never been there...
Capture48 has been there recently and has participated. I think that his comment is relevant in that the tone of critique tends to go a bit easy on some images.
We need to look at each image on its own merits, without regard for any prior posts and without consideration for the general skill level that we have previously recognized.
There are certainly some very talented photographers/post-processors posting there. They often put up an image that could have been better and we do them a disservice by dwelling on the positive aspects of their image. They are (should be) looking for a critique, ways to improve, and not looking for praise.
Mar 23, 2014 09:42:25 #
selmslie wrote:
We need to look at each image on its own merits, without regard for any prior posts and without consideration for the general skill level that we have previously recognized.
There are certainly some very talented photographers/post-processors posting there. They often put up an image that could have been better and we do them a disservice by dwelling on the positive aspects of their image. They are (should be) looking for a critique, ways to improve, and not looking for praise.
There are certainly some very talented photographers/post-processors posting there. They often put up an image that could have been better and we do them a disservice by dwelling on the positive aspects of their image. They are (should be) looking for a critique, ways to improve, and not looking for praise.
This is exactly why I have posted there. I do not want or need stroking. I am trying to improve my craft. What I want is an honest critique and maybe suggestions as to how it may be improved.
Mar 23, 2014 10:29:54 #
As a newcomer I had hoped that the previous thread on this subject was just an aberration. Alas, to my disappointment, it does appear to be a recurring theme. Much to my surprise I found myself interested enough to do a little digging and find this, to quote The Bard, Much Ado About Nothing. What I have found is one or two perceived historic wrongs which the OP of this thread appears unable to let die, breathing life into it at every available opportunity. When no such opportunity arises the OP will make one. He, I assume Winter Rose is male, is like a terrier, he just will not let go. I totally fail to understand Mr Roses inability to be able to allow sections to work side by side, Mr Rose has no need to visit sections he does not approve of, others do approve of them and enjoy them. Why he would want to spoil the pleasure that others gain from something is totally beyond my comprehension. I dislike to phrase it in these terms but the whole sorry affair looks to be a vendetta using very distasteful methods. Mr Rose also appears incapable of employing good quality sock puppets, they are so transparent. Mr Rose, you should look to your recruitment techniques, they are woeful.
Mar 23, 2014 10:57:23 #
My opinions are as follows:
Participation is entirely optional.
An Internet forum critique section will never be as effective as real time, in person critique settings. The vast majority of participants will not have any formal experience or training in art critique, and the comments will reflect this. There will always be an abundance of empty "atta boy" comments, as there will be many rude, disrespectful comments made in the false name of "honesty".. While a bit easier to control in a formal setting, this type of comment will be difficult to eliminate in the online setting. Try to keep expectations realistic, and work to contribute in ways that are constructive.
If one chooses to participate, make an effort to become knowledgable about the conventions of critique. It will help the section while enhancing ones own understanding of photography.
If one chooses not to participate, please move on peacefully.
Participation is entirely optional.
An Internet forum critique section will never be as effective as real time, in person critique settings. The vast majority of participants will not have any formal experience or training in art critique, and the comments will reflect this. There will always be an abundance of empty "atta boy" comments, as there will be many rude, disrespectful comments made in the false name of "honesty".. While a bit easier to control in a formal setting, this type of comment will be difficult to eliminate in the online setting. Try to keep expectations realistic, and work to contribute in ways that are constructive.
If one chooses to participate, make an effort to become knowledgable about the conventions of critique. It will help the section while enhancing ones own understanding of photography.
If one chooses not to participate, please move on peacefully.
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