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Islamist Terror Challenge Continues in Britain

Published on Thursday, 20 March 2014 08:24 Written by Irfan Al-Alawi
Islamist Terror Challenge Continues in Britain

Moderate, traditional, spiritual and even conservative British Muslims should hearken to London Mayor Boris Johnson's message and support effective measures to curb the spread of extremist ideology among their vulnerable offspring. Not only are these practices morally abhorrent, and deserve better than the complicity of silence, but in addition, the survival of Islam as a normal component of the religious spectrum in the UK is at stake.

As Britain continues to wrestle with the challenge of radical Islam and its product, terrorism, on March 2, 2014, London Mayor Boris Johnson contributed a column to one of Britain's leading journals, The Sunday Telegraph, "The children taught at home about murder and bombings."

Johnson's commentary correctly placed radical Islamist ideology in the same category with pedophilia and female genital mutilation (FGM) as moral abominations with which the British political class has failed adequately to contend, and continued, "I worry that their work is being hampered by what I am obliged to call political correctness. ... There is built in to the British system a reluctance to be judgmental about someone else's culture, even if that reluctance places children at risk" – a decision, Johnson said, that led to abusers being "emboldened." Johnson continued:

We have thousands of victims [of FGM] in Britain, thousands of girls being cut every year, and yet we have managed not a single prosecution -- let alone a conviction. Again, there is that fatal squeamishness about intervening in the behavior of a 'protected group'. ... We need to be stronger and clearer in asserting our understanding of British values. That is nowhere more apparent [than] in the daily job of those who protect us all from terror -- and who are engaged in tackling the spread of extremist and radical Islam.

We are familiar by now with the threat posed by the preachers of hate, the extremist clerics who can sow the seeds of madness in the minds of impressionable young people. We are watching like hawks to see who comes back from Syria and the ideas they have picked up.

The horrific bloodshed in Syria has indeed attracted terror recruits from British and other Muslim communities, and Johnson's warning was timely. On the same day he published his column in The Sunday Telegraph -- March 2 -- one of that paper's more "progressive" competitors, The Observer, which is the weekend edition of The Guardian, reported that Moazzem Begg, 45, a resident of Birmingham, in the British Midlands, interned for almost three years as a terrorist suspect in the US base at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, was ordered held in custody for terrorism-related offences involving Syria.

Begg's arrest had been revealed by The Daily Telegraph on February 25.

CNN International stated on March 3, 2014, that Begg was "accused of providing instruction and training for terrorism and funding terrorism overseas," as disclosed by West Midlands Police. Begg is due to return to court on March 14, The Observer said.

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Former Guantanamo detainee Moazzam Begg was recently arrested on suspicion of Syria-related terrorism offences. (Image source: Wikimedia Commons)
The Observer had noted that a female Birmingham resident, Gerrie Tahari, 44, was also in custody after she was similarly charged with facilitating terrorism overseas, and that two more men, aged 20 and 36, were arrested at the same time in Birmingham and held by the authorities. The original February 25 Telegraph account of the case described the 20-year old as Tahari's son.

Mayor Johnson warned of "reluctance by the social services to intervene.... A child may be taken into care if he or she is being exposed to pornography, or is being abused -- but not if the child is being habituated to this utterly bleak and nihilistic [radical Muslim] view of the world that could lead them to become murderers…"

As Johnson wrote, "Pedophilia, FGM, Islamic radicalization -- to some extent, at some stage, we have tiptoed round them all for fear of offending this or that minority. It is children who have suffered. ... The law should obviously treat radicalization as a form of child abuse."

Moderate, traditional, spiritual, and even conservative British Muslims should hearken to Johnson's message and support effective measures to curb the spread of extremist ideology among their vulnerable offspring. Not only are these practices morally abhorrent, and deserve more than the complicity of silence, but in addition, the survival of Islam as a normal component of the religious spectrum in the UK is at stake.

Danilo Loc: Las Vegas

Obviously terrorism is working to full expectation, LAS. We, in the U.S., must thank our friends in the U.K. for enduring the misery of providing a rich example of fear and appeasement, and the inevitable results thereof. Our own situation is rapidly growing toward an identical conclusion, unless we practice a different response tactic than the Brits.

A relatively non-offensive way of dealing with this would be for us to immediately limit Muslim immigration to our country, applying a higher standard of scrutiny to Muslims entering our borders. Or...we can simply continue our current strategy of blind approval. Peace-loving Muslims are not true Muslims. They are considered the same infidel status in the eyes of Islam as Christians are.

We are offered the golden opportunity to curb this trend before we paint ourselves into the same corner as our friends in the U.K. and Spain. We only have to look at Michigan, and allow NO further advancement of this Islamic terrorism on our own soil. I hope we will do just that.

Los-Angeles-Shooter Loc: Los Angeles

A thoughtful and well-reasoned post.

It is also perceptive to think of Britain and Europe as the equivalent of the Canary in the coal mine: a clear warning of the danger and what we in the USA face. The USA is facing much the same incursion and attacks: we are just not as far down that terrible road as is Britain and Europe.

tusketwedge Loc: Nova Scotia Canada

remember that about 5 or 6 years ago there was a gentleman that was preaching about Islam taking over most of the world withen the next 20 years."That leaves 14 to 15 years left".He had charts that showed the one that were going to fall first,and if I remember right Britain was it. He predicted it would be in 10 years.
The bases of his predictions were on the birthrate of the races.The Islamic fate have multiple kids and the average birth rate of Brits<Americans,French etc.is far lower .So they will soon be the majorities in a lot of countries and the majority usually rule.
The only places that seemed to be unaffected were Russia and China. So if it's going to happen,which one are you going for?

Los-Angeles-Shooter Loc: Los Angeles

The Islamists consider a high birth rate an important part of Jihad ... demographic Jihad.

As to taking over, it is interesting to watch different countries and note how, as the Muslims become more numerous, and (affected by the firmness or cowardice of the authorities)aggressive, their behavior progresses from mere political activism to riots, threats, rape, and open defiance. We have seen this in Scandinavia and it is most striking in France. Many French Christians and JEws are fleeing to Great Britain and some of the Jews to Israel.

tusketwedge Loc: Nova Scotia Canada

[quote=Los-Angeles-Shooter]The Islamists consider a high birth rate an important part of Jihad ... demographic Jihad.

As to taking over, it is interesting to watch different countries and note how, as the Muslims become more numerous, and (affected by the firmness or cowardice of the authorities)aggressive, their behavior progresses from mere political activism to riots, threats, rape, and open defiance. We have seen this in Scandinavia and it is most striking in France. Many French Christians and JEws are fleeing to Great Britain and some of the Jews to Israel


To maintain a majority ,the birthrate is suppose to be around 2.8 t0 3.4 kids /family.The rate here in N.America among Caucasians is somewhere around 1.5. ,I believe .Britain,France,The Scandinavian countries ,Australia and quite a few others are hovering around the same ,where Islam is somewhere's around high 7's to 8's. Don't quote me as it's been a few years since I read it .

Los-Angeles-Shooter Loc: Los Angeles

In many European countries the birthrate among the natives has fallen well below "maintenance level." You are correct in that the Islamic birth rate is very high. In fact it is mandated as part of "Holy war."

When most people think of Jihad (holy war) they think of terrorists or armies or subversion. But the high birthrate is also part of Jihad ... the commandment to extend Islam.

steve40 Loc: Asheville/Canton, NC, USA

Simple; throw the bums out. Send them to Antarctica, or some desolate Pacific island with no food, or water. Or cover them with honey, and stake them out over an Ant hill. :thumbdown: :thumbdown: :thumbdown:

Danilo Loc: Las Vegas

Your solution is so simple, steve40. I'm amazed no one has already done this.

Wellhiem Loc: Sunny England.

As a Brit, it is a problem and it is a worry. Can anyone suggest a realistic solution? Many of these people were born here and have become radicalized in their teens. It's all very well saying kick them out, but where do you kick them out to? Putting them in prison would cost more than we can afford and the death penalty would make martyrs out of them, encouraging others to follow suit. In any case both these solutions would mean waiting until after the event. Obviously the first step should be to stop any more from coming in, but that wouldn't help the problems we already have, and how could you tell a radical from a moderate? It's all very well flag waving and sabre rattling, but let's hear some sensible suggestions for a change.

tusketwedge Loc: Nova Scotia Canada

It's to late to ratify it now,I'm afraid.It's like closing the barn door after the horse escaped. We ,the infidels were warned what was happening 10 years or so ago,and being the bleeding hearts that we have grown to be since second war, are in for a hard time. We chose tens years or so ago to turn a deaf ear and a blind eye to the warning of what was to come. Now it's to late and we will have to make do the best way we can.Sorry.

Los-Angeles-Shooter Loc: Los Angeles

A sensible first step would be to shut the door to avoid making things worse in a hurry. An underlying problem is that the UK "leaders" mostly seem to refuse to accept or face the fact that they have a severe problem. But right now I have my own problem stemming from H-P's idiotic printer design, so I am busy with that and can't post on this for a while.

Jackinthebox Loc: travel the world

Let them know at every oppertunity that you do not like them. They will eventually run to live in a musly country. Never never never surrender. Look it up.

Los-Angeles-Shooter Loc: Los Angeles

...we shall fight them on the beaches...we shall never surrender...
-- Winston Churchhill, when it looked like invasion was imminent.

Danilo Loc: Las Vegas

You guys are, indeed, in pickle. As you said, Wellhiem, the first act would be to stop any further immigration. Then, make your beloved country less attractive to those who are already there. You could stop allowing the building of mosques, for example, and DO NOT allow Sharia Law to be applied under any circumstance. Do not allow prayer in public areas. One of our crazy citizen's suggested burying a feral hog in every location selected by Muslims for a mosque; perhaps not such a bad idea. I think the judicious application of imagination here is key.

But, as with our own immigration difficulties, the first step is to eliminate the cause of the problem to begin with: Stop any further immigration. There are already countries that have been successful in this...we can learn from them.