Idiot Teacher Drowns a Student
Mar 15, 2014 18:08:07 #
Los-Angeles-Shooter
Loc: Los Angeles
The New Normal: To teach swimming in Michigan schools, a teacher has to be a certified lifeguard. Johnathan Lamonte Sails, 24, a long-time substitute teacher at East Detroit High School, didnt have that certification, but the school assigned him to teach swimming anyway.
When a teenaged student sank to the bottom, other students informed Sails but he was too far away and not paying attention to actually see what was going on and said the 15-year-old was just fooling around.
When he finally saw the boy really was in trouble, he headed to the locker room to change his clothes. An assistant principal in suit and tie dove into the water to save the boy, but it was too late: he had drowned.
This is tragic but more importantly it certainly could have been prevented, said Macomb County Prosecutor Eric Smith. The inaction by Mr. Sails rises above normal negligence. It is a case of gross negligence. And that is what he has charged Sails with. Smith thinks the school district is culpable too, for assigning Sales to a job he was not qualified to hold. We tried to put together a case against East Detroit schools, Smith said, but we could not. (RC/Macomb Daily)
...I guess their actions could only be proven to be normal negligence. At least normal by educational bureaucrat standards.
When a teenaged student sank to the bottom, other students informed Sails but he was too far away and not paying attention to actually see what was going on and said the 15-year-old was just fooling around.
When he finally saw the boy really was in trouble, he headed to the locker room to change his clothes. An assistant principal in suit and tie dove into the water to save the boy, but it was too late: he had drowned.
This is tragic but more importantly it certainly could have been prevented, said Macomb County Prosecutor Eric Smith. The inaction by Mr. Sails rises above normal negligence. It is a case of gross negligence. And that is what he has charged Sails with. Smith thinks the school district is culpable too, for assigning Sales to a job he was not qualified to hold. We tried to put together a case against East Detroit schools, Smith said, but we could not. (RC/Macomb Daily)
...I guess their actions could only be proven to be normal negligence. At least normal by educational bureaucrat standards.
The befuddled looking guy is the idiot substitute teacher
Mar 15, 2014 18:35:48 #
Mar 16, 2014 06:24:55 #
Mar 16, 2014 23:38:14 #
papayanirvana wrote:
god!!... and he was probably pulling down $32K a year!
Common sense doesn't depend on wage rate! get a life....
Mar 17, 2014 00:02:16 #
Zophman wrote:
Common sense doesn't depend on wage rate! get a life....
have one thanks, jus sayin' you get what you pay for.
Mar 17, 2014 00:10:51 #
papayanirvana wrote:
have one thanks, jus sayin' you get what you pay for.
I guess having an unqualified swimming teacher appointed might tell a different story. Sounds like poor leadership to me. Yeah...you do get what you pay for, unless it's senior business leadership then it's a different measurement according to some.
Mar 17, 2014 06:46:02 #
Mar 17, 2014 13:37:31 #
Los-Angeles-Shooter
Loc: Los Angeles
Actually, the teacher exhibited multiple layers of profound stupidity and incompetence:
1. He was dressed in suit and tie instead of swim trunks;
2. He was off lolligagging instead of watching;
3. He idiotically assumed the student was faking;
4. He evidently made no attempts to find out swimming skills of students;
5. He did not note who among the students were strong swimmers and/or trained; he could have directed them to bring up the drowning student;
6. He did not instantly call 9/11;
7. He did not use the rescue pole (possibly in conjunction with student help) to rescue the kid;
...and on and on ...
1. He was dressed in suit and tie instead of swim trunks;
2. He was off lolligagging instead of watching;
3. He idiotically assumed the student was faking;
4. He evidently made no attempts to find out swimming skills of students;
5. He did not note who among the students were strong swimmers and/or trained; he could have directed them to bring up the drowning student;
6. He did not instantly call 9/11;
7. He did not use the rescue pole (possibly in conjunction with student help) to rescue the kid;
...and on and on ...
Mar 17, 2014 13:52:37 #
Mar 17, 2014 15:05:38 #
Los-Angeles-Shooter
Loc: Los Angeles
papayanirvana wrote:
...I can't believe a high school kid could drown in a swimming pool.
Many kids ... especially in the inner city ... are poor swimmers or non-swimmers. This class was an instructional class and probably many of the kids were poor swimmers or non-swimmers. In addition, while we strong swimmers can deal with something like a leg cramp or stomach cramp, a poor swimmer would likely panic and be in serious trouble.
It is not surprising at all that the kid got into trouble. In fact, it is almost expected.
That is why it is so bad to not have any lifeguard-qualified person present. It is not surprising at all that the kid could drown and did drown. Immediate action and medical care might have saved him, but the teacher's indolence was the final straw that was the coupe de grace.
Mar 17, 2014 15:19:40 #
They should never allow children in a swimming pool without a trained lifeguard...
but than do we get the "nanny-state" label?
but than do we get the "nanny-state" label?
Mar 17, 2014 16:03:31 #
Los-Angeles-Shooter
Loc: Los Angeles
papayanirvana wrote:
They should never allow children in a swimming pool without a trained lifeguard...
but than do we get the "nanny-state" label?
but than do we get the "nanny-state" label?
It's hardly "nanny state." It's common sense. Especially in a case like this where the kids were almost certainly weak swimmers and non-swimmers.
Mar 17, 2014 16:19:23 #
My ex-girlfriend went to that school and she only learned how to swim a few years ago (at the age of 38) at the urging of her children and I.
There is no excuse for this incident, they should have had everyone in the shallow end of the pool until they reach a certain skill level.
There is no excuse for this incident, they should have had everyone in the shallow end of the pool until they reach a certain skill level.
Mar 17, 2014 17:35:38 #
Los-Angeles-Shooter wrote:
It's hardly "nanny state." It's common sense. Especially in a case like this where the kids were almost certainly weak swimmers and non-swimmers.
hey, we agree! hard to comprehend non-swimmers over 6 years of age here in Hawaii.
... but like Clint says, you gotta know your limitations.
Mar 17, 2014 17:38:34 #
Los-Angeles-Shooter
Loc: Los Angeles
I've helped in drowning rescues. A scary business and even agnostics are praying the victim will survive.
Note to everyone: Someone who drowns in cold water can often be safely revived after an astonishing length of time "dead." This is due to the "mammalian diving reflex" which essentially causes shutdown and suspended animation. This is so especially with children and very cold water. Young kids drowned in cold water have been revived and recovered after more than 20 minutes. It is essential to call for 9/11 and to continue CPR attempts until the experts arrive.
Note to everyone: Someone who drowns in cold water can often be safely revived after an astonishing length of time "dead." This is due to the "mammalian diving reflex" which essentially causes shutdown and suspended animation. This is so especially with children and very cold water. Young kids drowned in cold water have been revived and recovered after more than 20 minutes. It is essential to call for 9/11 and to continue CPR attempts until the experts arrive.
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