venturer9 Loc: Newton, Il.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/uaw-slams-decision-giving-anti-180735437.html


NOW GOOD GRIEF, how can we be against the UAW,,,,,, the nerve of the NLRB letting Anti Union Workers have a voice.... THE SHAME


This is the Union that lost the election to unionize a VW plant in (I think) Chattanooga....

Mike

dirtpusher Loc: tulsa oklahoma

for your kids and grand kids you better start hoping union start making a come back.

tainkc Loc: Kansas City

Yeah, no kidding! My best friend is just getting cremated by the union over at G.M Fairfax.

rob s Loc: La Mesa, CA

Be very careful what you wish for. They destroyed the British car industry and would have done the same here in the US if the government hadn't bailed everybody out.

dirtpusher Loc: tulsa oklahoma

can't scare me!!!!!!!!!!

and if you have benefits on your job better give a union member a hug... be careful what you complain about.

just the corporation's method of stripping workers of wages and benefits. look what wisconsin did with employees.

but you maybe right, corporations are just tickled pink to give out benefits, safe place to work environment ... you will wind up like china sweat shops.
and thank woodie guthrie..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HldVI4InSr4

Frank T Loc: New York, NY

The real issue in this case is were those groups workers or were they actually business organizations masquerading as workers.
If the latter is the case then that clearly violates federal guidelines which were set by the NLRB to protect workers and assure fair elections.
If I were the UAW, I too would take legal action and I fully support them doing that here.

rob s Loc: La Mesa, CA

The problems the unions created were paralleled by the those created by the owners / operators of the businesses in which the workers were employed.
Whoever had control tended to abuse it to the detriment of everybody in the long run.
The union movement beginning with the Tolpuddle Martyrs was absolutely necessary to restore the rights of the workers and a balance to the employer / worker relationship. When control swings too much to one side or the other greed takes over. Blind support of unions is just as bad as blind hatred of them.
I strongly believe in the need for them but they have again and again demonstrated an unrestrained use of their power for purely self serving ends that I find as repellant as that practiced by some employers.
As I said before be careful.

papayanirvana Loc: Kauai

they still have unions??

dirtpusher Loc: tulsa oklahoma

unions and religions were all had good intentions. till people figured they could make extra money off them.

venturer9 Loc: Newton, Il.

I worked 23 years as a Non Union Worker
I worked 23 years as a Union worker...

As a Non Union worker my "Cash" salaries went up from $1.88 per hour to $11.25 per hour. An increase of $9.37 an hour (1957 until 1975 and 1999 until 2005)

As a Union Worker my "Cash" Salaries went up from $8.95 per hour to $13.90 per hour. An increase of $4.95 per hour (1976 until 1999)

From the time I started in 1957 I always had Vacations that accumulated for a week after 3 months on job to 5 weeks when I left florida. I had full Paid Insurance and a 401K fund (not called that then.. but I put in a dollar, company put in a dollar) a week sick pay from day one.

At the Union Job I had one week vacation after the first year, and an extra day each year there after. I paid 1/2 of my insurance bill, one week of sick pay after first year and no "Savings" plan of any sort through the company.

Here is a little Blurb I found

Q: Do auto workers really make more than $70 per hour?

A: No. That figure is derived from what the auto companies pay in wages, health, retirement and other benefits, and includes the cost of providing benefits to retirees.

http://www.factcheck.org/2008/12/auto-worker-salaries/


NOTICE that the total of $70.00 per hour is not argued, just how it is arrived at....So I assume that the worker got approximately 1/2 of that or $35.00 in cash pay.... Nice job if you can get it..... and most of us know what the Benefits are in places like GM... especially after the Bailout...

Mike

venturer9 Loc: Newton, Il.

Frank... I don't quite understand your comment.. BUT I will suppose that you meant that those that that they don't want to speak... are from outside the state even and not affiliated with the VW company at all..

If that is what you are thinking of, then I would point you at the Recall attempt of Gov. Walker of Wisconsin..... the UNIONS blatantly bussed hundreds of their members in trying to get him recalled.. Obviously that was not illegal, but in my humble opinion it should not be allowed no matter what side you are on....

Mike

ole sarg Loc: south florida

The failure of the US industry before the bailout was because of poor management not the unions. This is well documented and I suggest you do some research.

Notice how wages in all jobs have stagnated since the demise of the unions under the Reagan Administration?

Trickle down economics or supply side as the right now likes to call it is simply being peed upon!

Iwantitall Loc: Chicago (south side)

Not "everybody". Ford did it on their own which is why I own one.
Mike

Photog

VW came to Tennessee due to several reasons including heavy state and city tax breaks, excellent educational facilities, and yes- the history of Tennessee being a non-union state. With unions, VW would have likely not set up shop. Trying to force workers to join up ultimately leads to closures and no jobs. Manufavturing in the US has largely disappeared with union tactics making the exit come sooner than later. Unions certainly were needed 50 years ago,but times have changed and more and more folks have figured it out. The same history has run the same course in several other nations.

Iwantitall Loc: Chicago (south side)

Also the biggest reason for a strong middle class back in the day. Before corporate greed and stockholders "profit above anything else"took over. How's our middle class looking now? Where's the last mansion you've seen a union electrician,plumber,pipe fitter, sheet metal worker,firefighter,policeman own?
Given a choice I'm sure the Walton's prefer their mansions built by the TRAINED,SKILLED,tradesmen to a man off the street who was hired by a "right to work" laborer. How's our middle class looking lately. If times have changed where as unions are no longer needed.....why aren't the middle class thriving. Not trying to pick a fight. Just wondering your reasoning. MANY people have not worked for a company that would screw you out of a dollar every chance they get. I have. In that case a union WAS needed. And have worked for a company that treated us like gold. So when a vote was set as to whether a could set up shop...... We voted it down.
Mike
Mike