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Mar 14, 2014 08:51:00   #
brow3904 Loc: Upstate South Carolina
 
The same reason most of us comb our hair and wash our face (maybe even put on some makeup) before going out in public. We like to present ourself as "good looking" as we can. When I take a photo I want to have it look as good as I can. Unfortunately, I have difficulty in both cases but I continue to work on it.

As for processing programs Picasa is free and allows some nice ways to enhance photos. Printing can be expensive for snapshots but there are places you can get them printed for as low as 9 cents each. So, with a little processing and inexpensive processing you can have a photo album on your coffee table to make you proud to share with your friends and family.

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Mar 14, 2014 09:04:36   #
pecohen Loc: Central Maine
 
KJ Smith wrote:
I don't have a place for any printer or a bunch of photo paper, so it's more economical to take my card to the drug store for processing. Someone, please enlighten me because I'm not seeing the benefit of the expense of a computer program, color printer & photo paper. I'm obviously missing something (which is usually the case)!


It does seem that no matter how much space you have there's not enough. For me, this problem limits me in my other hobby, woodworking, more than it limits my photography but let me suggest taking a middle ground.

Since your are participating on this forum I have to assume you have access to a computer. You should buy some software for editing photos; I'd suggest Corel's Paint Shop Pro. You can buy the latest edition for $60 or you can pick up an older edition on eBay, probably for $20 or less. Others might recommend Adobe's Lightroom but I suspect it will cost you more and probably do less but it might be easier to learn. This is just my impression - I don't use Lightroom.

You may find that editing photos is actually something you enjoy as much as you do taking the photos. You will certainly find that you can make many photos better with just a little editing. And you don't have to buy a printer, paper, inks, etc. You can put your edited photos onto a memory card and take them to the same drug store you are now using. Some stores will offer the alternative of just uploading your photos to their site. There are numerous web-sites that let you do this and they will mail the finished photos to you.

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Mar 14, 2014 09:22:28   #
donnahde Loc: Newark, DE
 
[quote=GPS Phil]Getting it right in the camera, as far as I'm concerned means that I have an image that is worth saving for PP.

Bingo!!

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Mar 14, 2014 09:29:39   #
JCam Loc: MD Eastern Shore
 
To me, "straight out of the camera" harkens back to the 40's and early 50's when most of us amateur photographers were using box cameras that gave you little control of what the processed results; only the "news guys" or professionals had equipment like the Speed Graphics, and it was expensive.

Now with the DSLR's we can make all sorts of adjustments before the shot--if you have the time, and kids, sports, wildlife, etc. don't often give you that luxury. Even if you do have the time, frequently the photograph isn't quite what you saw, or thought you saw, so why not fix it in PP?

If you don't want to do that, it's your choice, but don't hassle the rest of us for fixing. If it is matter of cost, look at Picassa; it's free and has a fair amount of capabilities.

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Mar 14, 2014 09:33:56   #
steve03 Loc: long Lsland
 
Try Picasso its free. That is how I got started.

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Mar 14, 2014 09:43:33   #
sailor_smb
 
IMHO, people that prefer to "get it right in camera" are forgetting one thing. They like to think that because they haven't done any PP themselves that there hasn't been any PP done. If they are shooting in jpeg then they are just letting a programmer or a group of programmers at the camera factory do the PP for them. Nothing wrong with that if you are satisfied with the PP job the programmers are doing. RAW files have no PP. Many photographers prefer to do their own PP based on the subject they saw when they took the image rather than accept the PP programmed in to their cameras by someone who has never even seen that subject.
"Getting it right in camera" to me means getting the exposure settings you wanted when you took the image whether you shot in jpeg or raw. After that it is just a choice of whether you want the camera (and it's programmers) to do the PP or whether you want to do the PP yourself.

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Mar 14, 2014 09:52:25   #
Dave_TX
 
KJ Smith wrote:
No, I do not crop, lighten, darken, or anything else. I pick the photo & want printed & click on "add to cart"! I've found very few photo processing programs on the 'net that's free but I'll keep looking -- maybe I got a CD with my camera for post-processing (Canon EOS Rebel Ti3).


You can do a lot with the Digital Photo Professional software that came with your T3i. you already paid for it so why not use it? If you lost the CD you can download it from the Canon website.

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Mar 14, 2014 09:55:57   #
boberic Loc: Quiet Corner, Connecticut. Ex long Islander
 
KJ Smith wrote:
Not to rag on those 'Hoggers who use a computer program to process & tweak their photos, but I would appreciate some sincere responses to this question: Why not learn to take the photos the way you want them to turn out rather than manipulating the photos completely before you print them from the comfort of your own home? Got redeye? Well, then, take another shot. Want a bluer sky? Use a filter & adjust the camera. I'm not slamming anyone so, please, don't get upset. I can't afford a photograph program (which means, I should probably buy another laptop), printer & photo paper, not to mention that I don't have a place for any printer or a bunch of photo paper, so it's more economical to take my card to the drug store for processing. Someone, please enlighten me because I'm not seeing the benefit of the expense of a computer program, color printer & photo paper. I'm obviously missing something (which is usually the case)!
Not to rag on those 'Hoggers who use a computer pr... (show quote)


I can sum it up in 1 sentence. Different strokes for different folks.

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Mar 14, 2014 10:06:09   #
Pine1 Loc: Midland & Lakeway
 
Wouldn't it be nice if the camera processing was really great. But it isn't. Today, post processing is just an extension of processing that is done with the camera, except for RAW which has to be processed because it is just data (lots of it). If you want go go beyond snapshots you will need to take the extra step. If not, just shoot and have fun. Good luck.
KJ Smith wrote:
Not to rag on those 'Hoggers who use a computer program to process & tweak their photos, but I would appreciate some sincere responses to this question: Why not learn to take the photos the way you want them to turn out rather than manipulating the photos completely before you print them from the comfort of your own home? Got redeye? Well, then, take another shot. Want a bluer sky? Use a filter & adjust the camera. I'm not slamming anyone so, please, don't get upset. I can't afford a photograph program (which means, I should probably buy another laptop), printer & photo paper, not to mention that I don't have a place for any printer or a bunch of photo paper, so it's more economical to take my card to the drug store for processing. Someone, please enlighten me because I'm not seeing the benefit of the expense of a computer program, color printer & photo paper. I'm obviously missing something (which is usually the case)!
Not to rag on those 'Hoggers who use a computer pr... (show quote)

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Mar 14, 2014 10:10:07   #
emmons267 Loc: Arizona, Valley of the Sun
 
PalePictures wrote:
Because you or I, or anyone else, could not create the portraits/images below, without having, and knowing how to use, a post processing program. Period.
I don't care what you do to your camera..what settings...what filters, Your will never, ever get close.

If you want to be a photo journalist type, I have no problem with that..
There will always be people that do not like post processed images. They will always be in the minority. If you want to shoot competitively where your photos are judged by respected judges in the industry that are not strict photojournalist types you better get with the program.

The idea in post processing is to make something look good where you can't tell if or how it was processed.

Beginning with a good quality image is always a good idea. There are things that the camera does better than what you can do in post work. The real trick is knowing what and how to do post work.

If you want some good examples of this, look up the work of Tim Tadder or Joel Grimes.
Because you or I, or anyone else, could not create... (show quote)


As usual, you're so self-absorbed that your missing the point. Period.

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Mar 14, 2014 10:11:34   #
emmons267 Loc: Arizona, Valley of the Sun
 
KJ Smith wrote:
Not to rag on those 'Hoggers who use a computer program to process & tweak their photos, but I would appreciate some sincere responses to this question: Why not learn to take the photos the way you want them to turn out rather than manipulating the photos completely before you print them from the comfort of your own home? Got redeye? Well, then, take another shot. Want a bluer sky? Use a filter & adjust the camera. I'm not slamming anyone so, please, don't get upset. I can't afford a photograph program (which means, I should probably buy another laptop), printer & photo paper, not to mention that I don't have a place for any printer or a bunch of photo paper, so it's more economical to take my card to the drug store for processing. Someone, please enlighten me because I'm not seeing the benefit of the expense of a computer program, color printer & photo paper. I'm obviously missing something (which is usually the case)!
Not to rag on those 'Hoggers who use a computer pr... (show quote)


As usual, most of the responders seem to miss your point.

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Mar 14, 2014 10:12:14   #
georgeschroeder
 
If you are satisfied with your image from the camera the way it is, why worry about what others are doing? Some women don't wear makeup, others need to be prim and proper and more attractive.

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Mar 14, 2014 10:21:31   #
TheDman Loc: USA
 
mfeveland wrote:
As usual, most of the responders seem to miss your point.


There was some deep, hidden meaning behind "why do you post-process"?

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Mar 14, 2014 10:36:27   #
emmons267 Loc: Arizona, Valley of the Sun
 
TheDman wrote:
There was some deep, hidden meaning behind "why do you post-process"?



I'm guessing here, but I'd say you're one of the post-processors that can't understand why other photographers don't enjoy post-processing and do enjoy getting the best shot they can, right from the camera. That's it - nothing more.

Simple, isn't it!!

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Mar 14, 2014 10:37:45   #
Photoman74 Loc: Conroe Tx
 
Born 1943 - Started photo 1950-1 - Used B&W, Kodachrome & Color -
Each had it's own Challenges & PP Chemicals & light variances. Senors another type of film - Photoshop another Darkroom. Get it right 1st time, did not happen then does not happen now - YES do your best, but saw image possibility - Knew would be gone in 1 sec. Do I go thru all the steps with the check list Camera settings - Light direction - composition - tripod- flash and more - or do I get the shot or come back for the next year hope it re-occurs Take the shot? The pre setting of your camera having been done as much as possible before shoot time (trip) In studio lights set up - tripod set camera mounted lens installed camera settings verified - Customer arrives - has cut & died hair wore long flashy jewelry white reflective blouse with a Mexican skirt - wanted corporate
portrait (Not for Mexican restaurant) Yes do your best in Camera - Get your best from the camera by using PP - Gimp is free - Do not print every image - only best by commercial printing - flash drives for storage
Bottom Line - take great images - create excellent photographs

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