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Jan 4, 2012 07:45:45   #
EdAnderson Loc: Hanover, PA
 
rayford2 wrote:
I'm wondering if ND filters work on flash subjects?
I know this won't help now that the photo's were taken. But I'm confused about lowering the ISO and the pictures get brighter, I thought they would get darker under the same conditions.
...shows you how much I know about flash photography.


Without regard to the light source, so long as the light intensity at the subject remains the same, a decrease in ISO (without any other change in exposure parameters) will produce a darker image.

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Jan 4, 2012 08:30:45   #
sirlensalot Loc: Arizona
 
Consider chimping your histogram also.

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Jan 4, 2012 08:44:52   #
GEARHEAD6PACK Loc: FAIRFIELD, TX
 
Guy Johnstone wrote:
Champing, cute I had never heard that before I had to look it up. You've probably by now realized that you take on the ISO is reversed. I don't doubt it was happening we just need to figure out why. Were you shooting in manual mode? How are you triggering the flash? I'm not familiar with the 5100 but I didn't think it has a plug for external flash. You have to be careful if you're using a slave. The camera's preflash will trigger your strobes prematurely. if you were shooting in some kind of auto mode, Lowering your ISO may have extended your shutter speed, and those overexposed photos were the only ones actually taking full advantage of the strobe's output. If your strobes have modeling lights the higher ISO photos may have been made using either those or the overhead lights in the room.
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On my z980 you can disable the pre-flash; I would assume the high dollar dslr's would have the same capability (the main reason I got the 980 instead of the 981 or 990 is that the 980 has a hot shoe; my zx7590 has a sync cord jack)

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Jan 4, 2012 09:24:39   #
pounder35 Loc: "Southeast of Disorder"
 
heltonjkv96 wrote:
You should be fine with 800iso!


Heltonjkv96
Haven't you heard that drinking and railroad tracks don't mix? :lol:

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Jan 4, 2012 09:25:29   #
George H Loc: Brooklyn, New York
 
debbyg wrote:
Tonight I set up two umbrella lights for group of 7 and individual portraits. I have a large reflector that I am using to help separate subjects from the backdrop. Did some test shots and I have to go up to 800 ISO and that is scaring me to death. I believe it is called chimping (please correct me if I am wrong) anyway the pictures looked ok on the camera. Any lower ISO it was way to light. I am using a D5100, and did not bring it home with me ugh. Hindsight should have and downloaded those pictures. I may have to go back in very early in the morning and check them out on the computers at work. Please tell me someone that it will be ok and I won't find alot of noise on those pictures. As you can tell it is my first time working with that kind of lighting. Usually I welcome firsts in my life, but this one is troublesome. I have so much to learn and sometimes it is kind of painful. Any suggestions here I will be forever grateful. I will let you all know if I passed or failed tomorrow, but for now would like to hear your thoughts. I know I have read that there are some out there with a D5100 so please share.
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Debby,
Why did you have to go to such a high ISO if you are the one setting up the lighting? Need some more info, what is the output of the two lights you are using, are you using a backdrop or natural surroundings and what are the colors involved? Also what were the settings for Fstop and Shutter Speed? Placement of your lights is also to be taken into account.

George

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Jan 4, 2012 10:01:04   #
nikonshooter Loc: Spartanburg, South Carolina
 
debbyg wrote:
Tonight I set up two umbrella lights for group of 7 and individual portraits. I have a large reflector that I am using to help separate subjects from the backdrop. Did some test shots and I have to go up to 800 ISO and that is scaring me to death. I believe it is called chimping (please correct me if I am wrong) anyway the pictures looked ok on the camera. Any lower ISO it was way to light. I am using a D5100, and did not bring it home with me ugh. Hindsight should have and downloaded those pictures. I may have to go back in very early in the morning and check them out on the computers at work. Please tell me someone that it will be ok and I won't find alot of noise on those pictures. As you can tell it is my first time working with that kind of lighting. Usually I welcome firsts in my life, but this one is troublesome. I have so much to learn and sometimes it is kind of painful. Any suggestions here I will be forever grateful. I will let you all know if I passed or failed tomorrow, but for now would like to hear your thoughts. I know I have read that there are some out there with a D5100 so please share.
Tonight I set up two umbrella lights for group of ... (show quote)


Curious, what kind of lights - flash or studio strobes?

Normally, an ISO of 200, F-5.6 to F8, and a shutter speed of 125 should put you in the ball park with Nikon flashes (sorta assuming that is what you used.)

However, you did nothing to screw up your pics at ISO 800 but you wrote something that has me baffled....you wrote that if you lowered the ISO, your images got lighter.....in fact, they should have gotten darker. I am not too sure what you have going on with your camera - strange.

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Jan 4, 2012 10:16:36   #
heltonjkv96 Loc: southwest Virginia
 
pounder35 wrote:
heltonjkv96 wrote:
You should be fine with 800iso!


Heltonjkv96
Haven't you heard that drinking and railroad tracks don't mix? :lol:


LoL!!

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Jan 4, 2012 10:57:48   #
steve Loc: Iowa
 
Look @ your historgram.

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Jan 4, 2012 11:54:12   #
JohnnyRottenNJ Loc: Northern New Jersey
 
rayford2 wrote:
I'm wondering if ND filters work on flash subjects?
I know this won't help now that the photo's were taken. But I'm confused about lowering the ISO and the pictures get brighter, I thought they would get darker under the same conditions.
...shows you how much I know about flash photography.


Unless you are using a flash that can be measured (TTL) through the lens, you need to set up a flash and then use a flash meter which will give you the appropriate aperture and shutter speed for whatever you set the ISO rating.

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Jan 4, 2012 12:19:01   #
photogCRD Loc: So Cal
 
I've been able to shoot ISO 2500 with my D5100 with some very nice results, but it would seem with flashes set up you should be able to drop the ISO less than 800 to reduce any unwanted noise.

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Jan 4, 2012 13:31:56   #
Poltergeezer Loc: Wellington Texas
 
Guy Johnstone wrote:
I love a mystery. I thought I had this one. The diffusion may or may not work. The strobes would fire either way. If the diffusion is an adequate they will fire too soon.

Modeling lights are a constant light some strobes project so that you can predict the effect of the flash on the subject.

Let us know how they turned out.


GUY?? Doesn't look like a guy to me.

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Jan 4, 2012 13:37:55   #
Poltergeezer Loc: Wellington Texas
 
I believe the term "chimping" refers to photographers (probably sports photographers at a game) looking at their monitor after shooting a play, saying "Ooo Ooo Ooo".

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Jan 4, 2012 13:44:08   #
Guy Johnstone Loc: Ocean Shores WA
 
Poltergeezer wrote:
Guy Johnstone wrote:
I love a mystery. I thought I had this one. The diffusion may or may not work. The strobes would fire either way. If the diffusion is an adequate they will fire too soon.

Modeling lights are a constant light some strobes project so that you can predict the effect of the flash on the subject.

Let us know how they turned out.


GUY?? Doesn't look like a guy to me.


you look like a well camera. kind of square aren't you?

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Jan 4, 2012 17:02:31   #
rayford2 Loc: New Bethlehem, PA
 
A few posts ago someone mentioned disabling the red-eye pre flash. If the slave flashes are triggered by the camera flash wouldn't the red-eye flash pose a problem, it being the first flash to fire?

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Jan 4, 2012 18:12:50   #
Guy Johnstone Loc: Ocean Shores WA
 
Yeah you have to do that also, but the delay between the redeye and main flash is quite noticeable. the pre-flash test pulse is almost instantaneous. Just enough of a delay to mess up the slave/shutter time, but maybe not enough to notice. Defusion of the flash is not a very reliable way to eliminate the pre-flash effect. If I stand in one place maybe it will work, if we stand 2 feet over maybe it won't not predictable.

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