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Feb 2, 2014 06:13:52   #
Gitzo Loc: Indiana
 
Breaking news: WI gov. asks superintendent to remove porn-watching teacher


By Ryan Ekvall | Wisconsin Reporter

MADISON, Wis. — Gov. Scott Walker on Tuesday urged state schools Superintendent Tony Evers to revoke Andrew Harris’ teachers’ license.

Harris is the Middleton-Cross Plains middle school teacher found to have viewed multiple pornographic images, videos and other inappropriate sexual content at the school.

“After hearing from concerned parents, I am asking you to act efficiently in your investigation into the actions of Mr. Harris and to initiate revocation proceedings,” Walker wrote in a letter to Evers.

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.SCHOOL’S TEST: Middleton-Cross Plains Area School District middle school science teacher Andrew Harris is expected to return to the classroom, nearly four years after being fired for looking at pornography at school.

The Middleton-Cross Plains School District fired Harris in 2010 after another teacher filed a complaint saying Harris showed her pornographic images at the school. The district launched an investigation that found Harris received hundreds of pornographic images, videos and inappropriate jokes on his school email account and viewed them at work.

Harris’ union filed a grievance asking that he be reinstated. The arbitrator, Karen Mawhinney, who donated $1,500 to two of Milwaukee Mayor Tom Barrett’s failed campaigns for governor in 2010 and the recall in 2012, agreed with the union. She ordered the district to reinstate Harris to a similar position and pay him nearly $200,000 in back pay. The district spent another $627,000 in legal fees trying unsuccessfully to have the decision overturned in the courts.

The state Supreme Court declined to review the case.

“The arbitration process afforded to Mr. Harris failed the school district and the students,” Walker wrote. “It has taken both a financial and emotional toll on the district. Cases, such as this one, are a good example of why our reforms are necessary.”

The district reassigned Harris to Kromrey Middle School, where he was slated to start teaching again on Monday; school was canceled because of the cold weather, however. The district plans to place a teacher’s aide in the classroom with Harris and allow his students to attend study hall, rather than his class. District spokesman Perry Hibner tells Wisconsin Reporter that at least five students have asked for study hall. Harris will teach five blocks of classes per day, with an enrollment of about 125 students.

The accommodations, however, did not ease parents’ concerns, and more than 20 braved the cold Friday to protest Harris’ return to work on a teacher in-service day. Hibner told Wisconsin Reporter the district received scores of emails and phone calls from angry and concerned parents.

As Wisconsin Reporter first reported, the school district asked Evers to revoke Harris’ license in 2010 for “immoral conduct,” although the Department of Public Instruction has yet to rule.

Hibner said, as of Tuesday, DPI had yet to contact the district about the status of its investigation. The agency did, however, contact district Superintendent Don Johnson expressing concerns about the plan to move students from Harris’ class to study hall, according to Hibner. He said DPI was concerned the students would not be receiving their science education.

Johnson has told Wisconsin Reporter that the district has to serve all constituencies involved, from students and parents to teachers, the community and Andrew Harris. And the district must honor Harris’ reinstatement, or face the threat of a lawsuit from the teacher and his union, the Middleton Education Association.

State Act 84 allows the superintendent to revoke a license for “Immoral conduct,” which, includes “the intentional use of an educational agency’s equipment to download, view, solicit, seek, display, or distribute pornographic material,” Walker noted in his letter to Evers. The law in part grew out of the Middleton-Cross Plains case, which included several educators and administrators found to have viewed inappropriate sexual content at school.

Hibner said the district has repeatedly asked for the agency to rule on the license review, but it has either been ignored or has been told DPI was waiting for the legal process to run its course. DPI has the authority to act on a license matter at any time, and it has revoked licenses on lesser misconduct charges, officials say.

DPI spokesman Patrick Gasper previously told Wisconsin Reporter in an email, “(T)he DPI investigation process is thorough and labor intensive, independent of other actions/determinations made by other parties.”

Gasper wrote in an email Tuesday that no one at DPI had received Walker’s letter when members of the media started asking about it.

“Regarding the licensure status of the educator you referenced, it remains under investigation by the DPI,” he wrote.


Gov. Scott Walker’s letter to state Superintendent Tony Evers:

Dear State Superintendent Evers:

Since taking office, I have worked to put in place reforms giving local school districts the tools they need to hire and fire teachers based on merit, performance, and professional conduct. With the passage of 2011 Wisconsin Act 10, schools now have the ability to move away from the old contracts, which prevented them from doing so.

The reforms support excellence in education because they ensure our students are educated by the best and brightest teachers. The reforms also protect students from teachers who may engage in immoral conduct or fall short of the expectations put forth by parents, the community, and school leaders. This is important not only to me, but also to parents and caretakers all throughout our state.

In 2010, the elected officials serving on the local school board overseeing the Middleton-Cross Plains Area School District made the decision to terminate the employment of middle school teacher Andrew Harris, after an investigation revealed he repeatedly viewed pornographic material at school and on a school computer. Unfortunately, the union arbitration process ordered that he be allowed to return to the classroom, with back pay. The district has spent about $1 million on costs and legal fees in the case.

Reforms we put in place in 2011 Act 10 put the power back in the hands of local officials, including school boards, so they can make the decisions they feel best serve their students and their community. While the defense of Mr. Harris’s actions by the teacher’s union ultimately negated the desire of the Middleton-Cross Plains School Board to remove him from the classroom, it appears that his behavior meets the definition of “Immoral conduct” under Wisconsin Statutes Chapter 115.31(1)(c).

After hearing from concerned parents, I am asking you to act efficiently in your investigation into the actions of Mr. Harris and to initiate revocation proceedings. The arbitration process afforded to Mr. Harris failed the school district and the students. It has taken both a financial and emotional toll on the district. Cases, such as this one, are a good example of why our reforms are necessary.

Situations, such as these, prompted me to sign 2011 Act 84 giving the State Superintendent clear authority to take action. Act 84 allows the State Superintendent to revoke a license for “Immoral conduct,” which includes “the intentional use of an educational agency’s equipment to download, view, solicit, seek, display, or distribute pornographic material.”

I am confident that the overwhelming majority of teachers and educators across the state and in the Middleton-Cross Plains District are committed and dedicated to working hard every day for the benefit of our students, their families, and our state as a whole. Teachers who make decisions that contradict what is best for students shed a negative light on their colleagues and the district, and in some cases, put students at risk.

Parents and caretakers deserve to know they are sending children to schools where everyone on staff is committed to excellence. Thank you for your swift action on this matter and I look forward to your review and remedy.

Sincerely,

Scott Walker
Governor


Gitzo says;
I hope the citizens of Wisconsin sue the teacher's union for about five million dollars and get it.
And I hope Scott Walker runs for POTUS.







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Feb 2, 2014 07:13:36   #
Manglesphoto Loc: 70 miles south of St.Louis
 
Gitzo wrote:
Breaking news: WI gov. asks superintendent to remove porn-watching teacher


By Ryan Ekvall | Wisconsin Reporter

MADISON, Wis. — Gov. Scott Walker on Tuesday urged state schools Superintendent Tony Evers to revoke Andrew Harris’ teachers’ license.

Harris is the Middleton-Cross Plains middle school teacher found to have viewed multiple pornographic images, videos and other









inappropriate sexual content at the school.

“After hearing from concerned parents, I am asking you to act efficiently in your investigation into the actions of Mr. Harris and to initiate revocation proceedings,” Walker wrote in a letter to
Evers.


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.SCHOOL’S TEST: Middleton-Cross Plains Area School District middle school science teacher Andrew Harris is expected to return to the classroom, nearly four years after being fired for looking at pornography at school.


The Middleton-Cross Plains School District fired Harris in 2010 after another teacher filed a complaint saying Harris showed her pornographic images at the school. The district launched an investigation that found Harris received hundreds of pornographic images, videos and inappropriate jokes on his school email account and viewed them at work.

Harris’ union filed a grievance asking that he be reinstated. The arbitrator, Karen Mawhinney, who donated $1,500 to two of Milwaukee Mayor Tom Barrett’s failed campaigns for governor in 2010 and the recall in 2012, agreed with the union. She ordered the district to reinstate Harris to a similar position and pay him nearly $200,000 in back pay. The district spent another $627,000 in legal fees trying unsuccessfully to have the decision overturned in the courts.

The state Supreme Court declined to review the case.

“The arbitration process afforded to Mr. Harris failed the school district and the students,” Walker wrote. “It has taken both a financial and emotional toll on the district. Cases, such as this one, are a good example of why our reforms are necessary.”

The district reassigned Harris to Kromrey Middle School, where he was slated to start teaching again on Monday; school was canceled because of the cold weather, however. The district plans to place a teacher’s aide in the classroom with Harris and allow his students to attend study hall, rather than his class. District spokesman Perry Hibner tells Wisconsin Reporter that at least five students have asked for study hall. Harris will teach five blocks of classes per day, with an enrollment of about 125 students.

The accommodations, however, did not ease parents’ concerns, and more than 20 braved the cold Friday to protest Harris’ return to work on a teacher in-service day. Hibner told Wisconsin Reporter the district received scores of emails and phone calls from angry and concerned parents.

As Wisconsin Reporter first reported, the school district asked Evers to revoke Harris’ license in 2010 for “immoral conduct,” although the Department of Public Instruction has yet to rule.

Hibner said, as of Tuesday, DPI had yet to contact the district about the status of its investigation. The agency did, however, contact district Superintendent Don Johnson expressing concerns about the plan to move students from Harris’ class to study hall, according to Hibner. He said DPI was concerned the students would not be receiving their science education.

Johnson has told Wisconsin Reporter that the district has to serve all constituencies involved, from students and parents to teachers, the community and Andrew Harris. And the district must honor Harris’ reinstatement, or face the threat of a lawsuit from the teacher and his union, the Middleton Education Association.

State Act 84 allows the superintendent to revoke a license for “Immoral conduct,” which, includes “the intentional use of an educational agency’s equipment to download, view, solicit, seek, display, or distribute pornographic material,” Walker noted in his letter to Evers. The law in part grew out of the Middleton-Cross Plains case, which included several educators and administrators found to have viewed inappropriate sexual content at school.

Hibner said the district has repeatedly asked for the agency to rule on the license review, but it has either been ignored or has been told DPI was waiting for the legal process to run its course. DPI has the authority to act on a license matter at any time, and it has revoked licenses on lesser misconduct charges, officials say.

DPI spokesman Patrick Gasper previously told Wisconsin Reporter in an email, “(T)he DPI investigation process is thorough and labor intensive, independent of other actions/determinations made by other parties.”

Gasper wrote in an email Tuesday that no one at DPI had received Walker’s letter when members of the media started asking about it.

“Regarding the licensure status of the educator you referenced, it remains under investigation by the DPI,” he wrote.


Gov. Scott Walker’s letter to state Superintendent Tony Evers:

Dear State Superintendent Evers:

Since taking office, I have worked to put in place reforms giving local school districts the tools they need to hire and fire teachers based on merit, performance, and professional conduct. With the passage of 2011 Wisconsin Act 10, schools now have the ability to move away from the old contracts, which prevented them from doing so.

The reforms support excellence in education because they ensure our students are educated by the best and brightest teachers. The reforms also protect students from teachers who may engage in immoral conduct or fall short of the expectations put forth by parents, the community, and school leaders. This is important not only to me, but also to parents and caretakers all throughout our state.

In 2010, the elected officials serving on the local school board overseeing the Middleton-Cross Plains Area School District made the decision to terminate the employment of middle school teacher Andrew Harris, after an investigation revealed he repeatedly viewed pornographic material at school and on a school computer. Unfortunately, the union arbitration process ordered that he be allowed to return to the classroom, with back pay. The district has spent about $1 million on costs and legal fees in the case.

Reforms we put in place in 2011 Act 10 put the power back in the hands of local officials, including school boards, so they can make the decisions they feel best serve their students and their community. While the defense of Mr. Harris’s actions by the teacher’s union ultimately negated the desire of the Middleton-Cross Plains School Board to remove him from the classroom, it appears that his behavior meets the definition of “Immoral conduct” under Wisconsin Statutes Chapter 115.31(1)(c).

After hearing from concerned parents, I am asking you to act efficiently in your investigation into the actions of Mr. Harris and to initiate revocation proceedings. The arbitration process afforded to Mr. Harris failed the school district and the students. It has taken both a financial and emotional toll on the district. Cases, such as this one, are a good example of why our reforms are necessary.

Situations, such as these, prompted me to sign 2011 Act 84 giving the State Superintendent clear authority to take action. Act 84 allows the State Superintendent to revoke a license for “Immoral conduct,” which includes “the intentional use of an educational agency’s equipment to download, view, solicit, seek, display, or distribute pornographic material.”

I am confident that the overwhelming majority of teachers and educators across the state and in the Middleton-Cross Plains District are committed and dedicated to working hard every day for the benefit of our students, their families, and our state as a whole. Teachers who make decisions that contradict what is best for students shed a negative light on their colleagues and the district, and in some cases, put students at risk.

Parents and caretakers deserve to know they are sending children to schools where everyone on staff is committed to excellence. Thank you for your swift action on this matter and I look forward to your review and remedy.

Sincerely,

Scott Walker
Governor


Gitzo says;
I hope the citizens of Wisconsin sue the teacher's union for about five million dollars and get it.
And I hope Scott Walker runs for POTUS.
Breaking news: WI gov. asks superintendent to remo... (show quote)


While I support teachers right to view and/or do whatever they like ( within the law).
on their own time and equipment, this teacher clearly violated his contract. It was the unions duty to defend him, why the order to reinstate him was given is beyond me. I believe he's firing was just. IF the citizens are allowed to sue the union for doing their job, then every lawyer should be sued for defending criminals.

Gitzo:
AS to your dislike of unions, and not knowing your age:
There was a time in this country when unions were very much needed to get a living wage and working conditions,
In recent times some unions have been their own worst enemy.
Probably doing more harm than good for their members and the country. Enough said, this could go on forever.
Oh I love the cartoons:

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Feb 3, 2014 07:22:27   #
houdel Loc: Chase, Michigan USA
 
Manglesphoto wrote:
There was a time in this country when unions were very much needed to get a living wage and working conditions,
In recent times some unions have been their own worst enemy. Probably doing more harm than good for their members and the country.

:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: On both statements!

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Feb 3, 2014 11:30:20   #
silver Loc: Santa Monica Ca.
 
Gitzo wrote:
Breaking news: WI gov. asks superintendent to remove porn-watching teacher


By Ryan Ekvall | Wisconsin Reporter

MADISON, Wis. — Gov. Scott Walker on Tuesday urged state schools Superintendent Tony Evers to revoke Andrew Harris’ teachers’ license.

Harris is the Middleton-Cross Plains middle school teacher found to have viewed multiple pornographic images, videos and other inappropriate sexual content at the school.

“After hearing from concerned parents, I am asking you to act efficiently in your investigation into the actions of Mr. Harris and to initiate revocation proceedings,” Walker wrote in a letter to Evers.

.
.SCHOOL’S TEST: Middleton-Cross Plains Area School District middle school science teacher Andrew Harris is expected to return to the classroom, nearly four years after being fired for looking at pornography at school.

The Middleton-Cross Plains School District fired Harris in 2010 after another teacher filed a complaint saying Harris showed her pornographic images at the school. The district launched an investigation that found Harris received hundreds of pornographic images, videos and inappropriate jokes on his school email account and viewed them at work.

Harris’ union filed a grievance asking that he be reinstated. The arbitrator, Karen Mawhinney, who donated $1,500 to two of Milwaukee Mayor Tom Barrett’s failed campaigns for governor in 2010 and the recall in 2012, agreed with the union. She ordered the district to reinstate Harris to a similar position and pay him nearly $200,000 in back pay. The district spent another $627,000 in legal fees trying unsuccessfully to have the decision overturned in the courts.

The state Supreme Court declined to review the case.

“The arbitration process afforded to Mr. Harris failed the school district and the students,” Walker wrote. “It has taken both a financial and emotional toll on the district. Cases, such as this one, are a good example of why our reforms are necessary.”

The district reassigned Harris to Kromrey Middle School, where he was slated to start teaching again on Monday; school was canceled because of the cold weather, however. The district plans to place a teacher’s aide in the classroom with Harris and allow his students to attend study hall, rather than his class. District spokesman Perry Hibner tells Wisconsin Reporter that at least five students have asked for study hall. Harris will teach five blocks of classes per day, with an enrollment of about 125 students.

The accommodations, however, did not ease parents’ concerns, and more than 20 braved the cold Friday to protest Harris’ return to work on a teacher in-service day. Hibner told Wisconsin Reporter the district received scores of emails and phone calls from angry and concerned parents.

As Wisconsin Reporter first reported, the school district asked Evers to revoke Harris’ license in 2010 for “immoral conduct,” although the Department of Public Instruction has yet to rule.

Hibner said, as of Tuesday, DPI had yet to contact the district about the status of its investigation. The agency did, however, contact district Superintendent Don Johnson expressing concerns about the plan to move students from Harris’ class to study hall, according to Hibner. He said DPI was concerned the students would not be receiving their science education.

Johnson has told Wisconsin Reporter that the district has to serve all constituencies involved, from students and parents to teachers, the community and Andrew Harris. And the district must honor Harris’ reinstatement, or face the threat of a lawsuit from the teacher and his union, the Middleton Education Association.

State Act 84 allows the superintendent to revoke a license for “Immoral conduct,” which, includes “the intentional use of an educational agency’s equipment to download, view, solicit, seek, display, or distribute pornographic material,” Walker noted in his letter to Evers. The law in part grew out of the Middleton-Cross Plains case, which included several educators and administrators found to have viewed inappropriate sexual content at school.

Hibner said the district has repeatedly asked for the agency to rule on the license review, but it has either been ignored or has been told DPI was waiting for the legal process to run its course. DPI has the authority to act on a license matter at any time, and it has revoked licenses on lesser misconduct charges, officials say.

DPI spokesman Patrick Gasper previously told Wisconsin Reporter in an email, “(T)he DPI investigation process is thorough and labor intensive, independent of other actions/determinations made by other parties.”

Gasper wrote in an email Tuesday that no one at DPI had received Walker’s letter when members of the media started asking about it.

“Regarding the licensure status of the educator you referenced, it remains under investigation by the DPI,” he wrote.


Gov. Scott Walker’s letter to state Superintendent Tony Evers:

Dear State Superintendent Evers:

Since taking office, I have worked to put in place reforms giving local school districts the tools they need to hire and fire teachers based on merit, performance, and professional conduct. With the passage of 2011 Wisconsin Act 10, schools now have the ability to move away from the old contracts, which prevented them from doing so.

The reforms support excellence in education because they ensure our students are educated by the best and brightest teachers. The reforms also protect students from teachers who may engage in immoral conduct or fall short of the expectations put forth by parents, the community, and school leaders. This is important not only to me, but also to parents and caretakers all throughout our state.

In 2010, the elected officials serving on the local school board overseeing the Middleton-Cross Plains Area School District made the decision to terminate the employment of middle school teacher Andrew Harris, after an investigation revealed he repeatedly viewed pornographic material at school and on a school computer. Unfortunately, the union arbitration process ordered that he be allowed to return to the classroom, with back pay. The district has spent about $1 million on costs and legal fees in the case.

Reforms we put in place in 2011 Act 10 put the power back in the hands of local officials, including school boards, so they can make the decisions they feel best serve their students and their community. While the defense of Mr. Harris’s actions by the teacher’s union ultimately negated the desire of the Middleton-Cross Plains School Board to remove him from the classroom, it appears that his behavior meets the definition of “Immoral conduct” under Wisconsin Statutes Chapter 115.31(1)(c).

After hearing from concerned parents, I am asking you to act efficiently in your investigation into the actions of Mr. Harris and to initiate revocation proceedings. The arbitration process afforded to Mr. Harris failed the school district and the students. It has taken both a financial and emotional toll on the district. Cases, such as this one, are a good example of why our reforms are necessary.

Situations, such as these, prompted me to sign 2011 Act 84 giving the State Superintendent clear authority to take action. Act 84 allows the State Superintendent to revoke a license for “Immoral conduct,” which includes “the intentional use of an educational agency’s equipment to download, view, solicit, seek, display, or distribute pornographic material.”

I am confident that the overwhelming majority of teachers and educators across the state and in the Middleton-Cross Plains District are committed and dedicated to working hard every day for the benefit of our students, their families, and our state as a whole. Teachers who make decisions that contradict what is best for students shed a negative light on their colleagues and the district, and in some cases, put students at risk.

Parents and caretakers deserve to know they are sending children to schools where everyone on staff is committed to excellence. Thank you for your swift action on this matter and I look forward to your review and remedy.

Sincerely,

Scott Walker
Governor


Gitzo says;
I hope the citizens of Wisconsin sue the teacher's union for about five million dollars and get it.
And I hope Scott Walker runs for POTUS.
Breaking news: WI gov. asks superintendent to remo... (show quote)


And here is the other side of the story.http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/01/31/1274013/-Wisconsin-Teacher-Fired-for-Receiving-Emails-from-His-Sister#

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Feb 3, 2014 11:57:57   #
venturer9 Loc: Newton, Il.
 



Good Grief Silver... YOU of all people should know that the "Daily Kos" is a Liberal Rag that only shows Crap.....

How in the world could we believe anything that they put on line.... Shame on you...

Mike

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Feb 3, 2014 12:05:21   #
silver Loc: Santa Monica Ca.
 
venturer9 wrote:
Good Grief Silver... YOU of all people should know that the "Daily Kos" is a Liberal Rag that only shows Crap.....

How in the world could we believe anything that they put on line.... Shame on you...

Mike


Maybe the rag is the original post?

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Feb 3, 2014 14:36:37   #
n3eg Loc: West coast USA
 
Firing someone who watches porn at work should be a no-brainer.

However, if the governor of Wisconsin runs for President, I would have to vote for Hillary, my least favorite Democrat.

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Feb 3, 2014 20:45:41   #
silver Loc: Santa Monica Ca.
 
venturer9 wrote:
Good Grief Silver... YOU of all people should know that the "Daily Kos" is a Liberal Rag that only shows Crap.....

How in the world could we believe anything that they put on line.... Shame on you...

Mike


Good grief venterer, YOU of all people should know that the wisconson reporter is a conservative rag that only shows crap.....

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Feb 3, 2014 21:12:30   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
n3eg wrote:
Firing someone who watches porn at work should be a no-brainer.

However, if the governor of Wisconsin runs for President, I would have to vote for Hillary, my least favorite Democrat.


Chances are that you are going to vote for Hillary no matter who runs against her from the republican side.. Am I right? If not tell us which republican you would support for president.

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Feb 3, 2014 21:24:01   #
venturer9 Loc: Newton, Il.
 
silver wrote:
Good grief venterer, YOU of all people should know that the wisconson reporter is a conservative rag that only shows crap.....



Gee Silver... what an original post.... you can do better than this... we depend on your wit and ability to be silly while not being smart... Give it a try..

Mike

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Feb 3, 2014 21:27:11   #
venturer9 Loc: Newton, Il.
 
n3eg wrote:
Firing someone who watches porn at work should be a no-brainer.

However, if the governor of Wisconsin runs for President, I would have to vote for Hillary, my least favorite Democrat.



That is the sad side of Politics... I have a good Friend who is a flaming liberal, BUT he is against Abortion and Gay Marriage..

I asked him before the 2008 election how he could be For Obama (stickers all over car etc...) since he (Obama) was totally for both of those... his reply "Well, it is not enough to keep me from voting for him... My reply..... WELL it should be..

He votes for the "D" and told me once that he has NEVER voted for a republican, just pulls or pushes the "BIG D" and has his voting done in 30 seconds...

Mike

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Feb 3, 2014 23:00:55   #
silver Loc: Santa Monica Ca.
 
venturer9 wrote:
Gee Silver... what an original post.... you can do better than this... we depend on your wit and ability to be silly while not being smart... Give it a try..

Mike


HAHAHAHAHA

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Feb 4, 2014 00:54:22   #
venturer9 Loc: Newton, Il.
 
silver wrote:
HAHAHAHAHA



Thats it, you are getting closer to providing us with something we can really get our teeth into... Soon you will actually be able to use some "AEIOU" letters in your posts...
Well, you have already used the A.... but try to string some others together.... The Orderly will helpp you.


Mike

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Feb 4, 2014 09:00:15   #
Gitzo Loc: Indiana
 
Manglesphoto wrote:
While I support teachers right to view and/or do whatever they like ( within the law).
on their own time and equipment, this teacher clearly violated his contract. It was the unions duty to defend him, why the order to reinstate him was given is beyond me. I believe he's firing was just. IF the citizens are allowed to sue the union for doing their job, then every lawyer should be sued for defending criminals.

Gitzo:
AS to your dislike of unions, and not knowing your age:
There was a time in this country when unions were very much needed to get a living wage and working conditions,
In recent times some unions have been their own worst enemy.
Probably doing more harm than good for their members and the country. Enough said, this could go on forever.
Oh I love the cartoons:
While I support teachers right to view and/or do ... (show quote)



Sir; Believe me, I know exactly where you're coming from! Actually, I know quite a lot about unions, and what some of them do for the membership; I paid dues to the International Brotherhood of Teamsters from 1956 until I retired in 1997.

I not only "know all the good", I also "know all of the dirt", and believe me, there HAS BEEN a LOT of "dirt"! If you have ever visited Las Vegas prior to maybe 15 or 20 years ago, almost all of those big hotels and casinos were financed mainly by "OUR" pension fund; and very little, (if any ) of this money ever found it's way back INTO the Teamster's pension fund. For much of the 40 or so years I was a Teamster, the "mob" was "running" the union; (And I don't need any news articles or reporters to tell me this; ) I was "there"! I have witnessed the "mob" up-close and personal; I once saw a man beaten to death with a black-jack in Chicago; organized crime used our pension fund for their "pocket change" prior to "the feds" straightening things out; believe me, sir......I "know" about unions!

Even more remarkable is the fact that now, at this late date, and after 17 years now of retirement, my ex-wife is STILL receiving the same "substantial" check each month that I voluntarily signed over to her when we "went our separate ways". (There are any number of unions where this would never be the case. )

It's NOT unions that I'm "against"; it's certain "crooked" people who RUN certain unions that I AM "against"! I'm also going to add, there are precious few unions that don't have some "questionable" people at the top; (it's NOT a business
where you'll find a lot of former "eagle scouts"! )


I'm very "aware" of what unions "can" and "cannot" do; all unions have different work rules, and all union members can expect certain things, but there are certain OTHER things where a union's "obligations" to a member "ends"; and it's really impossible IMO to be able to compare a "public employees union" (such as the Teacher's Union ), with a private employees union like the Teamsters. And I can assure you that there ARE certain things a member of the Teamsters can do, and the Union has no obligation to intervene on his (or her ) behalf; an example is theft; you "steal", it's "proven", it's "over", period. IMO, what the teacher in this instance was doing, (which was witnessed by other teachers, was sufficient grounds for dismissal. ) Yes, Unions almost always "go through the motions" of "defending" the member, and I'm not at all surprised that the Teacher's Union really went "all out" for this particular individual; (which is quite a lot of why I feel about this union as I do; ) I can tell you this about the teacher's union, with a high degree of certainty; if you could "examine very carefully" all of the "members" (the teachers ), then do the same with all of the union's leadership, you would see a MUCH "higher class" of people among most of the teachers, and a LOT of "schmucks" among the union bosses. (And that's a "for sure"! )

I could show you dozens of cases were people were fired for various things, and the union had NO obligation what-so-ever; (things of that nature are all spelled out quite clearly in the employee's contract. )

As to "my dislike" of unions; I have never said anyplace that I "dislike unions"; I will say, there are "particular" unions that I have VERY LITTLE "use" for, and the teacher's union is one of them. Time and space will preclude me from elaborating on that, though. I hope you won't take offense at what I've said, as none was intended; (as a matter of fact, if everyone on this forum made replies as well as you have, we'd have a much better forum! ) I do appreciate your time taken to reply, and I agree with some of it, but possibly not all of it.

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Feb 4, 2014 10:21:33   #
Gitzo Loc: Indiana
 



ROFLMAO! Yeah, there's the "other side" ok; as written by Markos Moulitsas Zuniga! And NOW we know how our "in-house troll" gets all of his "information"! From the "Daily Kos"!
If you want a real laugh, google this creep; (but what ever you do, do NOT log onto his website! ) The Daily Kos is probably the only website on the whole internet that is any more "sleazy", than ALL porn sites are; (not only that, but many of the same nit-wits and wackos "fequent" BOTH. I have always suspected that this fool got much of his garbage from "the kos", and now he's proven I was right. Let's see.....who do you consider to be "reliable", "un-biased" ? The Salvation Army, maybe? The Wall St. Journal, perhaps?
Who ever it is, email them, ask the one question; "what blog-site is regarded as being the worst, the least truthful, on the whole internet?" 5 will get you 50, they will all give the SAME answer.....The Daily Kos! As compared to Markos Moulitsas, Michael More would be a "model citizen"! Al Franken would be a former Eagle Scout! (If you get my drift! ) I would go as far as to say, that when compared to THAT creep, all of the libs on UHH would say that I'm "fair and ballanced"!

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