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Jan 22, 2014 14:59:39   #
JPetrie Loc: Chicago
 
It's a screen shot taken using X-Plane 10. I picked a moving carrier rather than an airport runway, and a tail-dragger to simulate a jet with a hook, managed to "fly" the plane successfully onto the deck, recorded the landing in chase mode, played the recording back, zoomed out and around, picked a spot where the helicopter (part of the carrier scenario) was in view, and took the shot. Photography?



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Jan 22, 2014 15:17:55   #
Bob Yankle Loc: Burlington, NC
 
JasPetrie wrote:
It's a screen shot taken using X-Plane 10. I picked a moving carrier rather than an airport runway, and a tail-dragger to simulate a jet with a hook, managed to "fly" the plane successfully onto the deck, recorded the landing in chase mode, played the recording back, zoomed out and around, picked a spot where the helicopter (part of the carrier scenario) was in view, and took the shot. Photography?


Digital imagery, maybe, photography not. Photographers would have to do a lot of work to get in position for a shot like this, and know their camera settings quite well.

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Jan 22, 2014 15:18:06   #
R'laine Loc: Bay of Plenty, New Zealand.
 
Considering the definition of photograph is 'drawing with light', coupled with the ability to use a home made pinhole camera to make a photo, or a camera obscura (new 'adventure' for me) then yes, this is a photograph, the equipment used is incidental. IMO.
Lorri.

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Jan 22, 2014 15:42:22   #
busted_shutter
 
A thought-provoking subject.
Technically yes, it is a photograph. Originating in Greek, the word "photograph" is φῶς (phos), meaning "light", and γραφή (graphĂȘ), meaning "drawing, writing", together meaning "drawing with light".

I think what is at issue here is not the word "photograph", but what type, classification, and style of photograph it is. Many will say "No" because it's not a "true reflection" of what the camera sees in the "real world" (if you understand my meaning). By the same token, that arguement can be used to say "yes" it is, because it does reflect real life.

Macro reflects "real life"...just a magnified viewing image that can't be seen via the naked eye. Abstracts the same way. It's all a perception of the photographer & individual viewer. Imagine Rorschach images(if you will). It's all about the individualized perceptions and interpretations of images presented. Ask a dozen subjects, you'll get a dozen different answers(possibly more depending on their psychosis).

I would define a photograph to be...an image where subject, thought, and personal creativity came into play making it. A snapshot to be just a quick image copied via the camera to simply record the moment for prosperity.

So yes Jas..it most definitely is a photograph...but what type?

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Jan 22, 2014 15:44:12   #
northsidejoe Loc: pittsburgh
 
JasPetrie wrote:
It's a screen shot taken using X-Plane 10. I picked a moving carrier rather than an airport runway, and a tail-dragger to simulate a jet with a hook, managed to "fly" the plane successfully onto the deck, recorded the landing in chase mode, played the recording back, zoomed out and around, picked a spot where the helicopter (part of the carrier scenario) was in view, and took the shot. Photography?


Hell JasPetrie
Welcome to the uhh forum looks like a picture to me.
I would not have thought other wise if you did not give the details.
Keep posting ask question most of all have fun
Saying hello from Pittsburgh

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Jan 22, 2014 15:48:27   #
MT Shooter Loc: Montana
 
Bob Yankle wrote:
Digital imagery, maybe, photography not. Photographers would have to do a lot of work to get in position for a shot like this, and know their camera settings quite well.


:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

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Jan 22, 2014 16:43:22   #
JPetrie Loc: Chicago
 
Thanks to all for the responses. Bob may be right, and I don't mean to be argumentative. But if I stood in a gallery in front of an oil painting and photographed it with a digital camera in Program mode, it would be a photograph even though I made little effort to get positioned and let the camera make all the choices.

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Jan 22, 2014 16:53:07   #
G Brown Loc: Sunny Bognor Regis West Sussex UK
 
question is - whose graphics did you copy? did you draw it all or simply 'take a screen shot' of a video game.

When you take a photograph you record other peoples work too, but not usually what they have written or drawn. plagiarism or copyright rules apply limit what you can get away with.

however this could be seen as a direct 'take' just like videoing in a cinema.

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Jan 22, 2014 17:07:53   #
KlausK Loc: Brewster, NY
 
Bob Yankle wrote:
Digital imagery, maybe, photography not. Photographers would have to do a lot of work to get in position for a shot like this, and know their camera settings quite well.


What is the product of a digital camera? A photograph or digital imagery? What is a composite 'photograph' with extensive modifications in Photoshop?

Copyright issues are a different bowl of wax.

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Jan 22, 2014 17:08:47   #
amehta Loc: Boston
 
JasPetrie wrote:
It's a screen shot taken using X-Plane 10. I picked a moving carrier rather than an airport runway, and a tail-dragger to simulate a jet with a hook, managed to "fly" the plane successfully onto the deck, recorded the landing in chase mode, played the recording back, zoomed out and around, picked a spot where the helicopter (part of the carrier scenario) was in view, and took the shot. Photography?

My opinion is that this is digital art, but not photography. You did not write this with light, you wrote it with computer data.

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Jan 22, 2014 17:11:43   #
amehta Loc: Boston
 
JasPetrie wrote:
Thanks to all for the responses. Bob may be right, and I don't mean to be argumentative. But if I stood in a gallery in front of an oil painting and photographed it with a digital camera in Program mode, it would be a photograph even though I made little effort to get positioned and let the camera make all the choices.

When we describe the "source" of the photographs, we often include the camera and lens (and film, if applicable), acknowledging that all were involved with creating that photograph.

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Jan 22, 2014 17:18:23   #
MtnMan Loc: ID
 
JasPetrie wrote:
It's a screen shot taken using X-Plane 10. I picked a moving carrier rather than an airport runway, and a tail-dragger to simulate a jet with a hook, managed to "fly" the plane successfully onto the deck, recorded the landing in chase mode, played the recording back, zoomed out and around, picked a spot where the helicopter (part of the carrier scenario) was in view, and took the shot. Photography?


Who cares? Very cool!

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Jan 22, 2014 17:20:27   #
Swamp Gator Loc: Coastal South Carolina
 
It's a photo illustration, not a photograph.

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Jan 22, 2014 17:21:19   #
JPetrie Loc: Chicago
 
[quote=G Brown]however this could be seen as a direct 'take' just like videoing in a cinema.

X-Plane is a computer-operated flight simulator. It provides options (e.g., planes, airports, cockpit controls, weather, time of day, real world scenery, clouds, maps, etc.). It also has a screen-shot feature. Although I did not create any of the graphics, I configured the image by selecting the various components and "flying" the plane onto the deck of the carrier. The odds are infinitesimal of anyone else ever coming up with this particular image. Without regard to whether the result is good or bad, it did require some creativity and composition. Thus my original question.

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Jan 22, 2014 17:43:00   #
amehta Loc: Boston
 
There may be a difference when we use digital images to create other digital images, rather than other subjects. Similarly, taking a picture of a photograph at a museum is different than taking a picture of a sculpture. The former has an aspect of "reproduction" which the latter does not. Nobody is going to look at the photograph of "David" and think you are claiming it as your own work. But if you take a photograph of an Ansel Adams photo, there is the question of whether you went to Yosemite and took the picture yourself or if you "copied" it.

Both intent and reasonable perception might be involved here.

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