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Jan 23, 2014 14:56:04   #
romanticf16 Loc: Commerce Twp, MI
 
SlimDude wrote:
Just got a reply from the seller. He tells me that the lens is still for sale even though he told my other email that it was sold. Hot potato! I hope Peel Regional Police nail him good.


Did he tell you to bring cash?

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Jan 23, 2014 15:30:34   #
saxkiwi Loc: New Zealand
 
SlimDude wrote:
I found a Bigma 50-500mm Pentax-mount listed on Kijiji last week for only $750. The item was supposedly new or unused but the seller did not have the packaging. I made several attempts to arrange to look at the lens but the seller for some reason would not provide his address and phone number. He wanted to do the transaction in a parking lot. When I didn't respond to that email he complained. I told him I was wary of meeting in a parking lot and that I was getting the impression that the item was "hot" as in stolen. He replied quickly to that email with a terse "item is sold. So, what do you think?

As a musician I've always taken a dim view of stolen instruments and I've known too many others who've had equipment taken from them, including my brother many years ago. I've never really encountered this in camera gear, however. But it left me with the same unclean feeling and I had to go take a shower. Thanks for the opportunity to vent. The listing is still active. Here is the link to the listing: http://ontario.kijiji.ca/c-buy-and-sell-cameras-camcorders-Sigma-s-APO-50-500mm-F4-5-6-3-DG-OS-HSM-lense-W0QQAdIdZ541080567
I found a Bigma 50-500mm Pentax-mount listed on Ki... (show quote)


Stolen for sure. The lens looks used and I doubt a wholesaler would sell it without a box let alone the price he must have got it from them would have to be lower than $750. I doubt it very much.

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Jan 23, 2014 17:19:48   #
Shutter Bugger
 
RAK wrote:

Next time find out quickly ask to meet at the local police dept. lobby!



Shutter Bugger wrote:

If you do that, and he is a crook he just wont show up.
Arrange a meeting place where he will feel safe and take
well armed Police Officers with you, if he is a crook then he will be bought to justice and you get the satisfaction of helping to rid the streets of scum and get the benefit of watching him go down.



dsmeltz wrote:
RAK, you obviously forgot the LOL so people would know it was a joke :wink: :wink: :lol:


If you think suggesting the seller make the exchange in the lobby of a cop shop (something a crook would not do) is funny; you should think that inviting the seller to slap a pair of hand cuffs around his wrists and present himself to the closest prison is hilarious.

One is as inane as the other though. :|

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Jan 23, 2014 21:19:38   #
JC56 Loc: Lake St.Louis mo.
 
Run!!!

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Jan 24, 2014 00:17:31   #
BHC Loc: Strawberry Valley, JF, USA
 
Shutter Bugger wrote:
One is as inane as the other though.

To paraphrase Forrest Gump, " Insane is as insane does." On my way to my son's workplace one day to loan him a temporary replacement for an essential part of his job duties, I called a man in town to arrange to check out a Benbo tripod for sale. He said he was at work, but I could stop by to look at it. He gave me the address to his workplace and was surprised when I pulled in five minutes later. He remarked that I must be in a real hurry; I told him that his workplace had been my original destination. After examining his Benbo and paying him for it, I went inside while he called my son to come over from the jail to pick up the handcuffs I had brought him. Yep, they were both deputies at the County Jail.

By the way, I stuck around for a while, and, for you former or present cops, I can tell you that the coffee was the lousiest I have ever had in either a squad room or ER break room - and you know how bad that is!

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Jan 24, 2014 09:35:45   #
Shutter Bugger
 
Mogul wrote:
To paraphrase Forrest Gump, " Insane is as insane does." On my way to my son's workplace one day to loan him a temporary replacement for an essential part of his job duties, I called a man in town to arrange to check out a Benbo tripod for sale. He said he was at work, but I could stop by to look at it. He gave me the address to his workplace and was surprised when I pulled in five minutes later. He remarked that I must be in a real hurry; I told him that his workplace had been my original destination. After examining his Benbo and paying him for it, I went inside while he called my son to come over from the jail to pick up the handcuffs I had brought him. Yep, they were both deputies at the County Jail.

By the way, I stuck around for a while, and, for you former or present cops, I can tell you that the coffee was the lousiest I have ever had in either a squad room or ER break room - and you know how bad that is!
To paraphrase Forrest Gump, " Insane is as in... (show quote)


Mogul, it's high time you stopped sniffing glue!

Inane... Not Insane! Two different words; two different meanings... good grief!

English comprehension is pretty poor around here. Some of you make Forrest Gump seem like an astro physysist.

I appreciate your response Mogul, but what in the hell has your post got to do with the subject of this thread:
A Sigma lens for sale that is probably stolen property?

Sorry if some of my responses seem "rude", but I have had
"tools of trade" stolen more than once and have suffered the consequences. The inane posts are not bringing the scumbags involved down.

If this is a stolen lens, I want the seller to feel the full force
of the judicial system. I wish I could be there so he could feel the full force of my Alpinestars motorcycle boots as well!

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Jan 24, 2014 10:33:22   #
OddJobber Loc: Portland, OR
 
It's physicist, not physysist.
And astrophysicist, not astro physysist.

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Jan 24, 2014 11:18:29   #
Shutter Bugger
 
OddJobber wrote:
It's physicist, not physysist.
And astrophysicist, not astro physysist.


Thanks for the heads up.

I'm slightly dyslexic, my spelling suffers, despite that, my phonological processing, and rapid visual-verbal responding
is good.

The way I'm feeling I cant be fagged responding to the red lines of the spell checker.

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Jan 24, 2014 11:24:18   #
OddJobber Loc: Portland, OR
 
Shutter Bugger wrote:
Thanks for the heads up.


No probrum. :thumbup:

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Jan 24, 2014 11:32:51   #
Shutter Bugger
 
OddJobber wrote:
No probrum. :thumbup:


It would be great if your comprehension
is as good as your spelling :thumbup:

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Jan 24, 2014 14:45:39   #
Shutter Bugger
 
phonological processing, and rapid visual-verbal responding
is good.


is good... referencing plurals...

You didn't correct that one Odd Job!

You're disappointing me old boy.

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Jan 24, 2014 15:20:34   #
OddJobber Loc: Portland, OR
 
Now don't blame the old Oddjobber for your disappointment.
Your expectation was that I would correct that one or even notice it. You were disappointed that what you got was not what you expected, a disparity between perception and reception. Therefore, your disappointment comes from within. OMG!! Now I'm starting to sound like Rongnongno. Oh NO!

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Jan 24, 2014 17:19:07   #
Shutter Bugger
 
OddJobber wrote:
Now don't blame the old Oddjobber for your disappointment.
Your expectation was that I would correct that one or even notice it. You were disappointed that what you got was not what you expected, a disparity between perception and reception. Therefore, your disappointment comes from within. OMG!! Now I'm starting to sound like Rongnongno. Oh NO!


You assume Sir that I expected your power of perception
to enable you to perceive "that one". The exception of your
perception and correction was in fact expected.

The omission of perception and correction none the less did elicit disappointment.

Therefore my disappointment was located not from within
but from another place old boy.

It seems wrong nong has a lot to answer for. :-D

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Jan 25, 2014 00:16:47   #
BHC Loc: Strawberry Valley, JF, USA
 
Shutter Bugger wrote:
Mogul, it's high time you stopped sniffing glue!

Inane... Not Insane! Two different words; two different meanings... good grief!

English comprehension is pretty poor around here. Some of you make Forrest Gump seem like an astro physysist.

I appreciate your response Mogul, but what in the hell has your post got to do with the subject of this thread:
A Sigma lens for sale that is probably stolen property?

Sorry if some of my responses seem "rude", but I have had
"tools of trade" stolen more than once and have suffered the consequences. The inane posts are not bringing the scumbags involved down.

If this is a stolen lens, I want the seller to feel the full force
of the judicial system. I wish I could be there so he could feel the full force of my Alpinestars motorcycle boots as well!
Mogul, it's high time you stopped sniffing glue! b... (show quote)

Terribly sorry, old chap. Won't happen again. But I will tell you what a local police department would do in California. They'd confiscate the lens, give the seller a citation and let him go. As sad as it seems, crimes like armed robbery, rape and domestic abuse take priority around here. Having been the victim of a number of crimes, I can assure you that the police will not even respond if you call them and tell them you suspect somebody is trying to sell you a PROBABLY stolen lens. I don't know how things work down under, but here, you would have to confront the seller, make a citizen's arrest (to which the police will respond) and then hope to heaven the lens was stolen, they can find the owner to verify that fact and don't let the jerk off with probation. And if, for any reason, he is not charged for a crime, he can sue you for false arrest, false imprisonment and defamation of character. I won't even get into the difficulties of a citizen's arrest without a weapon and restraints, or the trouble you can get into if you use either against a subsequently "innocent" citizen. Sorry, the truth sometimes stinks, but that's life!

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Jan 25, 2014 12:55:53   #
Shutter Bugger
 
Mogul wrote:
Terribly sorry, old chap. Won't happen again. But I will tell you what a local police department would do in California. They'd confiscate the lens, give the seller a citation and let him go. As sad as it seems, crimes like armed robbery, rape and domestic abuse take priority around here. Having been the victim of a number of crimes, I can assure you that the police will not even respond if you call them and tell them you suspect somebody is trying to sell you a PROBABLY stolen lens. I don't know how things work down under, but here, you would have to confront the seller, make a citizen's arrest (to which the police will respond) and then hope to heaven the lens was stolen, they can find the owner to verify that fact and don't let the jerk off with probation. And if, for any reason, he is not charged for a crime, he can sue you for false arrest, false imprisonment and defamation of character. I won't even get into the difficulties of a citizen's arrest without a weapon and restraints, or the trouble you can get into if you use either against a subsequently "innocent" citizen. Sorry, the truth sometimes stinks, but that's life!
Terribly sorry, old chap. Won't happen again. Bu... (show quote)


Hmmm, I see. I'm surprised though, that "probable cause"
would not immunise a Police Officer from litigation.

Anyway Mogul, we are talking Cambridge Ontario not LA LA land.

I have a friend in the QLD Police force, the QLD Police are competent professionals.
It is on that, that I base the assessment and action
that could be taken with the lens seller.

And that is: Ring Ian (the honest and competent plain clothes officer) and tell him what I know about the seller and his contradicting stories and suggest we check him out. First the data base of "stolen items" is checked for a "Bigma", Then arrange a meeting with the seller, at the meeting establish his identity and address and question him about the providence of the lens. If positive ID and address of the seller are established, and everything lenswise is Ok and the seller has a plausible reason for the contradicting emails, you've got a bargain, and owe "Ian" a few beers,
and photos of his boat and family.

If the seller/lens credos don't add up, the seller is taken down to the station for further questioning and charges laid if warranted.

That's the way I saw/see it.

Ian and I were based up in Townsville North Queensland.

Townsvilles population is about 200,000. Even though it is
QLDs second largest city, one could be forgiven for calling it a country town, perhaps Mogul, that is why what I have outlined is valid there and possibly Ontario but not where you come from.

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