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Jan 10, 2014 18:07:23   #
DebAnn Loc: Toronto
 
I agree with Bob. If you shoot in RAW, there's always room to improve your image. If you only shoot in JPEG, you could be stuck when a particular image could really use some work. I like to shoot on the safe side and that's RAW.
bobmcculloch wrote:
I fell into that trap when I got my T4i, now I'm back to RAW +JPG almost always, when you want to make a shot look just right you need RAW, Bob.

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Jan 10, 2014 18:08:39   #
amehta Loc: Boston
 
DebAnn wrote:
I agree with Bob. If you shoot in RAW, there's always room to improve your image. If you only shoot in JPEG, you could be stuck when a particular image could really use some work. I like to shoot on the safe side and that's RAW.

You can edit the jpeg, just not as much.

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Jan 10, 2014 18:37:25   #
Pepsiman Loc: New York City
 
Remember! No all cameras can shoot in raw...

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Jan 18, 2014 05:49:15   #
zneb240 Loc: New South Wales - Australia
 
Thought you may be interested in this image that I've posted to illustrate my point that modern cameras can produce superb straight out of camera images.....if very strict shooting discipline and camera pre-programming is observed. This image was taken using a modern state-of-art camera, and high quality lens on a tripod/gimbal combination in good light.

I acknowledge this is not a photo-art type shot nor is it a landscape where often considerable PP is involved. For this image, PP consisted of cropping and minor vignette only. Nothing was done to enhance the actual image itself.

Warren ( Check out the download)

400mm,f/4 @ 1/1,250, ISO 280
400mm,f/4 @ 1/1,250, ISO 280...
(Download)

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Jan 18, 2014 08:00:42   #
charles brown Loc: Tennesse
 
In other words, is RAW format becoming obsolete?

No, next question. :lol:

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Jan 18, 2014 08:13:29   #
joer Loc: Colorado/Illinois
 
zneb240 wrote:
I don't often replace/update my DSLR - to date I have updated only three times in approx. 10 years. In so many ways each new camera has been a huge improvement over its predecessor - particularly in image quality. My latest camera is capable of stunning image quality when compared to my first DSLR. In the past, I shot almost always in RAW as I was not keen to trust myself shooting those important images in JPEG - I wanted the latitude offered by the RAW format during PP.

This brings me to my point. When set up as I want it, my latest camera produces JPEGs of such extraordinary quality they need essentially no other work aside from cropping and some very, very minor adjustment. I'm almost ashamed to admit that I haven't shot RAW since just after getting my new camera :oops: I'm often disappointed with my clumsy work but never with the actual image quality - the camera always delivered.

I should mention I shoot probably 95% wildlife (which I often convert to B&W), occasional macro, sometimes 'general' type images of family etc. but very rarely landscapes or people/portraits. I personally don't enjoy sitting at my computer doing post work and prefer to limit PP to cropping and perhaps some minor tidying-up.

This leads my to my question: Will in-camera processing and cameras become so good (or are we there now) that an accomplished enthusiast photographer could confidently shoot in JPEG format at all times and will RAW format be the domain of commercial and professionals who need it for special purposes - but only then into the foreseeable future. In other words, is RAW format becoming obsolete?
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I have always shot raw with all my cameras that have it available. It gives so much more exposure latitude. Also, I enjoy the processing.

I think if my images were perfect out of the camera it would take some of the enjoyment out of photography for me.

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Jan 18, 2014 08:20:04   #
sodapop Loc: Bel Air, MD
 
joer wrote:
I have always shot raw with all my cameras that have it available. It gives so much more exposure latitude. Also, I enjoy the processing.

I think if my images were perfect out of the camera it would take some of the enjoyment out of photography for me.


:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

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Jan 18, 2014 08:25:42   #
lukan Loc: Chicago, IL
 
Cdouthitt wrote:
Personally not me, but I know there are a lot of Olympus shooters that shoot straight JPG because the SOC (straight out of Camera) colors are just that good...I'm sure if you google it (olympus jpg engine), you'll see some great examples. Blues are nice and saturated, reds are true, and greens are vibrant.


Olympus's Out of camera jpegs are legendary for their colors, and now their TruePicVII image software makes it better than ever. Even though I predominantly shoot with Olympus, I still use LSF+RAW as my shooting mode. And I actually only go into only about 5% of my RAW files, and adjustments are very minor, since I'm that happy with the s-o-o-c-jpegs. If I try to adjust anything post-proc (except maybe exposure compensation) I screw it up. The colors are THAT good. My Nikonian buddies, who create beautifully composed images with dull and neutral colors get very envious and quiet when they see what comes out of my EM-1. To each their own, as long as there is something in the world of photography for everyone with an interest!

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Jan 18, 2014 09:28:29   #
sirlensalot Loc: Arizona
 
Wondering how you get rid of RAW when jpegs are extracted from RAW files? Or not? Am I missing something? I understand not all cameras have the option to display RAW images.

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Jan 18, 2014 09:55:42   #
blackest Loc: Ireland
 
If you have raw + jpeg there is no reason not to use it. You don't have to process the raw file if your happy with the jpeg. It always can rescue shots from time to time think of it as insurance.

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Jan 18, 2014 09:55:58   #
selmslie Loc: Fernandina Beach, FL, USA
 
joer wrote:
I have always shot raw with all my cameras that have it available. It gives so much more exposure latitude. ....

The problem with exposure latitude and JPG is that a program written is some far-off land sometime in the past is deciding for you to discard some of the highlight and shadow information available in the raw information based on criteria in which you had no say.

Regardless of how many complexities are written into the program, only you were present when the shutter was released and only you know your intentions.

In general, it is best to avoid any processing until you get the raw information onto your computer.

In fact, with auto-anything you are handing over control to a program, however well intentioned and reasonably constructed. You are better off explicitly setting the ISO, shooting in manual mode and focusing by hand. Of course, this is not always convenient and defeats the purpose of the megabucks being spent on modern DSLRs, but it also explains why some of us are reluctant to give up our old film cameras.

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Jan 18, 2014 10:02:55   #
erbPIX Loc: Greater New York City area
 
OUTSTANDING! Reminds me of Kodachrome. :thumbup:

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Jan 18, 2014 11:09:59   #
lukan Loc: Chicago, IL
 
blackest wrote:
If you have raw + jpeg there is no reason not to use it. You don't have to process the raw file if your happy with the jpeg. It always can rescue shots from time to time think of it as insurance.


Exactomundo! :thumbup:

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Jan 23, 2014 14:32:10   #
jpanar Loc: Reston, VA
 
Different shooting styles, subjects and conditions tax our DSLR's computers differently. I have yet to see a perfect JPEG. On the other hand, I have yet to see every photograph. I 'm of the group that RAW+JPEG is the way to shoot. If the JPEG will do, fine. If not, you have something you can work with. I prefer to create an image, not just hit a shutter button. To each his own.

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Jan 23, 2014 14:44:39   #
amehta Loc: Boston
 
sirlensalot wrote:
Wondering how you get rid of RAW when jpegs are extracted from RAW files? Or not? Am I missing something? I understand not all cameras have the option to display RAW images.

The question is whether the raw data would be saved and used outside the camera.

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