Where the Middle Class went (Page 6): One of the big boys, either McD or BK is already testing robots with some success. However, we are constantly told by the elite that these are...

ted45 Loc: Delaware

autofocus wrote:

Once we get to the point that salary demands on Mi... (show quote)

One of the big boys, either McD or BK is already testing robots with some success. However, we are constantly told by the elite that these are demeaning jobs, anyway, so why not robots?

The point is that any job is only worth so much. You can't constantly keep forcing increased costs on the employer and still get the low prices we demand. It is the public that demands high wages and low cost goods. The two do not go together. Look at the popularity of the iPhone which is made for around $3 in China by virtual slaves.

Why aren't the libs crying about salaries for actors and sports players? Why is Beyoncé Ok making millions for dancing but McD isn't for making low cost food? The lib darling Twitter makes billions and produces nothing that we cannot live without and yet I see no boycott or complaints aimed at them.

edharlan

Why are you not comparing the wages of KFC in 1965 and their purchasing power to the wages of KFC of today and their purchasing power?

autofocus Loc: North Central Connecticut

GAClowers wrote:

Using your usual stupid arguments I see. Let's see. We still have all those great textile mills, tire manufacturers, steel mills, etc. The auto manufactures are doing great too. In Mexico, Brazil and other foreign locations. How many Fords are built here now. Why do you think they all left? The cities that they used to support are looking great too.

:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: You know I grow weary of hearing about the evil, capitalist, big corporate greedy profit only motivated robber barons. When in reality, it is other pressures that force companies, big, and also small by the way, to outsource all, or some parts of their product. I will often use the example of a US company making ball point pens, and one that is now competing in a global marketplace. Because of rising costs in rents, utility bills, labor, taxes, insurance premiums, equipment, maintenance, regulatory issues, etc in a given state, they may find it unable to compete. So, if the total cost of producing that pen now costs $1.50, but has to be sold at $1.00 in order to survive in a world market what is that manufacturer to do? He can try someway to upgrade and streamline his manufacturing practices, but that will probably only add to the costs, and may cost jobs. He could also consider moving to another state where the cost of doing business may be lower..but almost all of the local employees will be laid off, and surely a black eye and bad press for the employer. Or, and most probably, outsource his product to another country. Once again, many will lose their jobs locally, but in reality it's all about survival in a kill, or be killed world. Oh, one last option is to close down completely and no longer exist as a company...that's a win/win for sure!

Hal81 Loc: Bucks County, Pa.

sb wrote:

GNSLNGR - This is a very great article and sums up part of the problem in our society where profit is worshipped more than God. But you will get little support from people who claim to be Christians but who see no problem with allowing Americans to die as a result of not having access to health care.

All americans always had access to health care. Most Dr.s Refused to see anyone that couldnt pay. But they could always go to any hospital in the US and be seen and takin care of at the emergency room. It was the law they couldnt turn anyone down.

Bobgood1 Loc: Indianapolis, IN

I worked for Boeing back in the 60's. We made a good wage. When ever the union negotiated a new contract, we got a raise. The union afterwards raised their Dues about the same as our raise. Finally the raises were high enough for Boeing to ship ALL of the jobs to Wash. State. When Gov. Brown ( First Term ) allowed the unionization of public employees, he set a path for Bankruptcy for the State Governments into the future. You see Gov. employees Don't create a product that can be marketed and the price increased as necessary. I have been involved in the working group and in Management. Management is not greedy as Union Fanatics try to " Paint them." They are charged with growing the company and making a profit. Normally they are NOT greedy. Like all businesses, there are different types. There need not be a war between Management and the workers. There is a " Global Market," to compete with. If a company is allowed to Grow, more will be hired. Today, We have the Federal Gov. Hogging the money supply and loaning it for almost free, that small business can't grow and expand. You should be picketing the Gov. in Washington D.C. The old tactics of the union 60-70 yrs ago are crazy today. It's a totally different World. Union membership was 6% at last count and dropping fast. Ask the Fed. and Wall Street Why ?

Twardlow Loc: Arkansas

yhtomit wrote:

Have you heard about Detroit?The condition of California?
Oregon?How about teachers unions in general.

No, I haven't heard about Detroit--not the union part, at least.

Haven't heard of the condition of California as it relates to unions.

I have no problem with the teacher's union, either.

Maybe I'm just uninformed.

Clarify these issues for me, please. I'm willing to learn.

ole sarg Loc: south florida

The average KFC costs about 1-2 mil to purchase a franchise. The average earnings are from 80 to 100K per year. Considering the owner is paying off the franchise with profits made prior to taking his pay this is not too good a deal for the franchiser.

After all 2 mil in the bank in an annuity earning just 4% would yield 80K.

Perhaps many of these franchises should go out of business!

http://www.kaycircle.com/How-Much-Does-a-KFC-Franchise-Make-Per-Year-Average-KFC-Franchise-Income-Earnings-Profit

Additionally, we could invest in educating our work force instead of giving the 1% the kind of tax advantages we do. Ditto goes for taxing corp profits!

Lets invest in America!

Blurryeyed wrote:

Just out of college I worked in restaurant managem... (show quote)

Bruce with a Canon Loc: Islip

why settle for 15 bucks an hour for unskilled mindless labor?
Why not 50 bucks an hour?

PrairieSeasons Loc: Red River of the North

ole sarg wrote:

The average KFC costs about 1-2 mil to purchase a ... (show quote)

And at current CD rates, that $2 million would earn $24K.

wilpharm Loc: Oklahoma

ole sarg wrote:

The average KFC costs about 1-2 mil to purchase a ... (show quote)

PUH_LEEZE SAERGEDO you honestly think someone with 2 mil.in CASH would buy a KFC???? & Im sure thats just for the franchise..No real-estate included.. and about that average..there is a helluva lot of difference between 1 mil & 2 mil>>>which is it?? is the 80-100K pre tax or after tax??? there are a heckuva lot of variables in this situation & if they should go out of business
as you suggest what happens to the employees??just more on welfare & un-employment..Then what happens to Barry's 7% BS figure..as if anyone really believes thatin one breath you are saying invest in America & in the previous you are hoping KFC franchises close down.

yhtomit Loc: Port Land. Oregon

Twardlow wrote:

No, I haven't heard about Detroit--not the union part, at least.

Haven't heard of the condition of California as it relates to unions.

I have no problem with the teacher's union, either.

Maybe I'm just uninformed.

Clarify these issues for me, please. I'm willing to learn.

Good to here!

Search "California pensions",then"Detroit bankruptcy",then "teachers unions"from any state you want.
Then search for a manufacturing job in the US.Then...

Gnslngr

yhtomit wrote:

Good to here!

Search "California pensions",then"Detroit bankruptcy",then "teachers unions"from any state you want.
Then search for a manufacturing job in the US.Then...

Here. That said it all.

wilpharm Loc: Oklahoma

Gnslngr wrote:

Here. That said it all.

so he misspelled a word..hardly a challenge to his argument..hang in there yhtomitFWIW I was a school board member for 10 years & dealing with the OKLAHOMA teachers union was a real pain in the assbut they never won a challenge because they were never right.just wasted a lot of taxpayers time & money on foolish issues...

Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.

Bottom line is that Unions have no problem in killing the Goose laying their golden eggs, we have seen it time and again, then you have the liberals crying of unfair tactics when federal labor laws are stacked in favor of the unions to the point that they condone violence, you have the Obama administration holding up the Boeing plant in South Carolina right up to the point that they concede to the unions in Washington... how the hell does that work?

Croce Loc: Earth

sb wrote:

GNSLNGR - This is a very great article and sums up part of the problem in our society where profit is worshipped more than God. But you will get little support from people who claim to be Christians but who see no problem with allowing Americans to die as a result of not having access to health care.

I'm curious sb, what is god paying these days?