Don't want to watermark but DO want to protect.. There are often times I will email proofs to a client but prefer not to watermark the image but DO want to protect the image from being...

NewzShooter Loc: Las Vegas, NV

There are often times I will email proofs to a client but prefer not to watermark the image but DO want to protect the image from being able to be printed by the client or put into their phone, at least not with any decent quality. What would be the best size to email an image so it looks great on their computer screen but NOT if they print or save to their phone? The idea of course is to get the client to like what they see on their computer screen but have to resort to paying for the image if they want it to be usable. I'm on a Mac and using "Preview" > "Tools" > "Adjust Size" for my resizing. Any suggestions?

amehta Loc: Boston

NewzShooter wrote:

There are often times I will email proofs to a cli... (show quote)

Decent quality on their computer but not on their phone is impossible. Your best option might be to use a site which allows you to "right-click" protect the images, so they cannot get to the "Save as" option. Sites like SmugMug and Zenfolio offer this, I'm sure there are others as well. Even that is not foolproof, but it's better than nothing.

Pictxterowner 3 D sbs

NewzShooter wrote:

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The most effective tool may be to simply allow them to have one full size photo for free and hope they buy the rest.
The full size image sent in the same file with the thumbnail and the other thumbnails of a select few will make the client wan to see those and the rest of the photos at full resolution.
If there good, i'm sure there fine.
:thumbup: Just my two cent's :? That's how My friend Kari Sweets sells her photos :XD:

NewzShooter Loc: Las Vegas, NV

amehta wrote:

Decent quality on their computer but not on their phone is impossible. Your best option might be to use a site which allows you to "right-click" protect the images, so they cannot get to the "Save as" option. Sites like SmugMug and Zenfolio offer this, I'm sure there are others as well. Even that is not foolproof, but it's better than nothing.

Thanks for your rapid reply! I see your point as a screen is a screen, may it be a computer, a phone or tablet, so what if I just want the quality to be unprintable then? My reason: I have lost sales on images simply because when I email the proofs (for expediency) the client then has what they want and has no reason to "order" the images in full resolution for print quality. But if the images pixelated if they tried to print, then they would order the HiRes images. I know watermarking would be the way to go but sometimes I get a client who books me at the last minute and they need to review the edited images as soon as possible so I email them edited proofs so they can list the ones they want.

NewzShooter Loc: Las Vegas, NV

Pictxterowner wrote:

The most effective tool may be to simply allow them to have one full size photo for free and hope they buy the rest.
The full size image sent in the same file with the thumbnail and the other thumbnails of a select few will make the client wan to see those and the rest of the photos at full resolution.
If there good, i'm sure there fine.
:thumbup: Just my two cent's :? That's how My friend Kerri Sweets sells her photos :XD:

I fully see your point MY point however is I need to know how to resize and at what dpi and file size I need to send so the client can see clear sharp images on their screen BUT not be able to print them with quality.

Pictxterowner 3 D sbs

NewzShooter wrote:

Thanks for your rapid reply! I see your point as ... (show quote)

In today's market expediency comes with a debit card. If they got the money they get to see the pictures.
There is no excuse now that thy can not pay for something now that they are asking for now. you simply need to set up your device for money transfer and learn to say no. :thumbup:

Pictxterowner 3 D sbs

NewzShooter wrote:

I fully see your point MY point however is I need to know how to resize and at what dpi and file size I need to send so the client can see clear sharp images on their screen BUT not be able to print them with quality.

oh yes i see your point. Might take some testing trying to print your photos, :oops:

NewzShooter Loc: Las Vegas, NV

Pictxterowner wrote:

In today's market expediency comes with a debit card. If they got the money they get to see the pictures.
There is no excuse now that thy can not pay for something now that they are asking for now. you simply need to set up your device for money transfer and learn to say no. :thumbup:

The clients have already paid for the "shoot" up front. I'm trying to upsell them to buy even MORE images after PP, so I email them samples to spark their interest.

Pictxterowner 3 D sbs

NewzShooter wrote:

The clients have already paid for the "shoot" up front. I'm trying to upsell them to buy even MORE images after PP, so I email them samples to spark their interest.

Oh well your back to the original plan now.
I just cant remember the sizes she had on display, but dang! wow!:-P
The free example made me want to see the rest in full size if id'e had a credit card and I had not already seen her n##### I would have laid the money down :XD:

Here is a shot in the dark, first implement the safety stuff that the photographer mentioned, Kari's full size photos were protected by this system, the downloadable (save image) image which your looking at, looks good enough to eat is 350 x 299
350 megapixels H96 dpi V96 dpi Bit Depth 24
Size 31.1 KB
I don't know what the heck that means but it was fun trying to help you thank you bye :thumbup:

amehta Loc: Boston

NewzShooter wrote:

Thanks for your rapid reply! I see your point as ... (show quote)

For a computer screen, I think 1080p is now the standard you should meet, so 1500x1000 pixels would be a minimum. They can make a very reasonable 4x6 out of that, though, since it would be 250dpi. But sending a smaller image, like 900x600, would not create the excitement to order larger prints.

I think the watermark is really your best option. I don't know what's available for the Mac, but if something like FastStone Resizer is, it can do the downsample and watermark addition all at once. http://faststone.org/

amehta Loc: Boston

This summer, my cousin and I went to dinner with friends of hers who had done a portrait session and the photographer had successfully done the upsell. The key was that it happened in a face-to-face meeting. If they can see the results of their shoot, and samples of large prints from your other shoots, the plastic will come out. Once they are home, I think it is much more difficult.

Rustybucket Loc: England

NewzShooter wrote:

The clients have already paid for the "shoot" up front. I'm trying to upsell them to buy even MORE images after PP, so I email them samples to spark their interest.

Newzshooter... Merry Christmas. I know what you mean about watermarks!! When I re-size for email I use 72dpi for resolution (I think most monitors are around that). Depending on subject a reduction to 600px X 400px that will appear on a monitor at around 6in x 4in....but.... because your file is only 600 px on the long edge it would only print as 2 ins long (300dpi printer resolution). It's a good starting point but you've have to experiment. You should also look at the compression level when saving as you can go low enough to make sure that it won't "re-sample" very well. Hope this helps

amehta Loc: Boston

Rustybucket wrote:

Newzshooter... Merry Christmas. I know what you m... (show quote)

72 ppi is an old standard. The Apple retina display is in the 220-350ppi range. On the PC side, you also have many displays in the 100-200 ppi range.

I just made a 400x500 pixel crop of a picture, on my display it looks barely bigger than a passport picture. How many 16x20 prints is that going to sell?

Pictxterowner 3 D sbs

The key would seem to send them an email with a link to a file they can not download if that's possible.
Sorry I was leaving :roll:

amehta Loc: Boston

Last week there was a conversation about slideshows, so I'm trying ProShow Gold. You can make a slideshow if their pictures, they can watch it on their computer, but it would be a pain to deal with on their phones, and they can't print off it. You can make the slideshow video 1080p even, so it has a wow-factor if they watch on a monitor or TV. It may be more trouble than you want, but the effect could be lucrative.