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Dec 25, 2013 15:21:22   #
WayneW Loc: South Carolina
 
Hi all,
Just a hint - go to Google and type in "depth of field chart". Every answer you can think of!
WayneW

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Dec 25, 2013 15:57:24   #
lighthouse Loc: No Fixed Abode
 
mfeveland wrote:
lighthouse wrote:
If your hyperfocal distance is 25ft and you focus at 50 ft you will be doing the Buzz Lightyear focus - to infinity and beyond.


If you focus at 50ft you will be in focus from about 20ft to infinity.



I would interested in knowing how you arrived at this conclusion. Could you please explain that. I am quite familiar with dof/hyperfocal.


Be only too happy to. Tell me which piece you think is wrong and I will discuss where I am coming from.

And just in case anyone didn't realise - the answer has been given to the OPs perfect satisfaction, this is a separate discussion.

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Dec 25, 2013 16:43:51   #
Wabbit Loc: Arizona Desert
 
lighthouse wrote:
If your hyperfocal distance is 25ft and you focus at 50 ft you will be doing the Buzz Lightyear focus - to infinity and beyond.

In real terms, if you focus at 25ft you will be in focus from about 12.5 ft to infinity.
If you focus at 50ft you will be in focus from about 20ft to infinity.

But - if you focus at 24ft then your far acceptable focus point will move in dramatically - probably from infinity to a couple of thousand feet. (Very rubbery figures used here just to give example)
If your hyperfocal distance is 25ft and you focus ... (show quote)


And don't forget Doc ..... with a 20mm prime if you focus on the moon everything on Mars will be in sharp focus too ..... ha,ha,ha,ha,

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Dec 25, 2013 16:49:38   #
Lundberg02
 
Look up the hyper focal distance formula.

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Dec 25, 2013 17:00:49   #
Wabbit Loc: Arizona Desert
 
georgevedwards wrote:
So by shortening the focus pt to 24ft you lose the focus on things on the horizon line? Whereas at 25ft and over you always have that. I have heard about a "mythical" perfect depth of field setting. My brother, a photography teacher in a public school system, said what most people don't realize is that if you focus on a certain distance, I remember him saying the 22 number on the focus ring, that everything from about 10 ft to infinity would be in focus. I have had problems testing it myself, and something tells me I may have to be concerned about aperture? I am still a little confused on this DOP concept too.
So by shortening the focus pt to 24ft you lose the... (show quote)


Forget about hyper focal distance Doc ..... and BTW your brother is correct .....

..... "your aperture controls depth of field" .....

..... works best with a prime 20, or 28, lens stopped all the way down (F 22), focused on infinity you'll have an excellent point n shoot camera ..... use your shutter speed and iso to set yout exposure ..... and click away

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Dec 25, 2013 18:21:47   #
imagemeister Loc: mid east Florida
 
lighthouse wrote:
(Very rubbery figures used here just to give example)


Seems that a lot of photograpy is full of "rubbery figures" !

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Dec 25, 2013 18:45:29   #
f8lee Loc: New Mexico
 
BrettOssman wrote:
After reading quite a bit on DOF, still not sure about one thing.

Say your hyper focal distance is 25ft. If I move the focus point out beyond 25ft (say to 50 or 100ft), will the DOF still reach to infinity. Or as you move the focus point farther out, does the far end of the DOF move in accordingly?

I think I pretty much get the rest of the DOF concepts, just wasn't sure about the above.


Seems like a lot of confusion here. Allow me to either add to that or give an actual answer.

First of all, hyper focal distance depends on the focal length of the lens, the aperture and the format being shot (4x5 inch, FX, DX, 4/3, whatever). What hyper focal distance essentially is is the distance at which that lens at that aperture on that camera should be set in order to get everything between some near point and infinity in acceptable focus. Read that sentence again to understand.

So, for a given lens on a given camera, let's looks at some numbers (the below are based on an FX body with a 105MM lens):
At f2.8, the hyper focal distance is 427 feet and with that setting everything from 213 feet to infinity should be in focus
At f5.6, the hyper focal distance is still 213 feet and with that setting everything between 107 feet and infinity should be in focus
Af f11 the hyper focal distance is 107 feet and everything between 54 feet and infinity should be in focus.

See a pattern? At smaller apertures, the hyper focal distance gets closer and the closest-focus point closer yet.

So, if you change the focus on the lens to a more distant point it will move the close-focus distance further out, while keeping everything (infinity) in foes.

Now does that help?

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Dec 25, 2013 20:56:04   #
lowkick Loc: Connecticut
 
Check this out to see if it helps you. http://www.dofmaster.com/dofjs.html

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Dec 26, 2013 03:26:51   #
georgevedwards Loc: Essex, Maryland.
 
What is a long lens? I assume the obvious answer is a telephoto, that becomes longer as the focal length (?) increases above 50mm. But knowing that a "fast lens" is not really a literal meaning I thought I better check.
BigBear wrote:
You have to consider the lens you are using also.
The longer the lens, the shallower the DOF will be compared to a shorter lens using the same settings.

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Dec 26, 2013 03:53:16   #
amehta Loc: Boston
 
BigBear wrote:
You have to consider the lens you are using also.
The longer the lens, the shallower the DOF will be compared to a shorter lens using the same settings.

georgevedwards wrote:
What is a long lens? I assume the obvious answer is a telephoto, that becomes longer as the focal length (?) increases above 50mm. But knowing that a "fast lens" is not really a literal meaning I thought I better check.


When BigBear said "longer" and "shorter", he was talking about focal length, not physical size. He was also comparing lenses, and what he said applies to any pair, so 500mm vs 300mm, or 24mm vs 18mm all have the difference in DoF as described.

It's good to ask about the jargon you don't understand. There will certainly be others who don't understand it also. :-)

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Dec 26, 2013 05:03:19   #
johneccles Loc: Leyland UK
 
Hi amehta, it does depend on the lens's focal length, it needs to be reasonably wide of course. I use a prime lens with a focal length of 38mm, although up to around 50mm is still wide enough for a good DOF.
Cheers
John

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Dec 26, 2013 05:20:46   #
amehta Loc: Boston
 
johneccles wrote:
Hi amehta, it does depend on the lens's focal length, it needs to be reasonably wide of course. I use a prime lens with a focal length of 38mm, although up to around 50mm is still wide enough for a good DOF.
Cheers
John


There is so much confusion about DoF, it seems important to include the important parameters when describing your method. :-)

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Dec 26, 2013 07:41:30   #
johneccles Loc: Leyland UK
 
Hi Amehta, I will attach a photo on which I can show you the method I use to obtain a good DOF. I used aperture priority set at F8, the lens has a focal length of 38mm, ISO set at 100, shutter speed was 1/1250 sec.
I manually focussed on the white house in centre of the frame, this meant the Hyperfocal Distance was the fisherman. So now everything is in focus from the large stone on the anglers left to the hills in the background.
This is the method I use
John

Depth of Field Test Shot
Depth of Field Test Shot...

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Dec 26, 2013 07:44:03   #
amehta Loc: Boston
 
johneccles wrote:
Hi Ametha, I will attach a photo ( a not very good one) but I can show you the method I use to obtain a good DOF. I used aperture priority set at F8, the lens has a focal length of 38mm, ISO set at 100, shutter speed was 1/1250 sec.
I manually focussed on the white house in centre of the frame, this meant the Hyperfocal Distance was the fisherman. So now everything is in focus from the large stone in the centre to the hills in the background.
This is the method I use
John


Thanks. :thumbup:

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Dec 26, 2013 08:28:50   #
Ansel Rosewater
 
Sometimes you want it… and sometimes you don’t. A wide depth of field can bring in a background this is deleterious to a photograph when it is distracting or just plain ugly. A short DOF can concentrate the eye of the viewer on the subject of the photograph and yet still permit the viewer to know the surroundings in which the picture was taken.

Occasionally a significant blur to the background lends an artistic touch to portraits. These are decisions made when the shutter is snapped… and often there is post-snap regret and the moment is gone forever. So….
Tangential to the subject of DOF is using photo manipulation (PhotoShop and other programs) to change a picture to mimic what a larger aperture would have done. For those interested, here’s the sequence I use to blur a background:
Select the area to be blurred using the quick selection tool.

>Filter

>Blur

>Gausian Make sure the preview box is checked. Then, using the cursor, place the box over the are you wish to blur and use the sliding bar to increase or decrease the blur or the + and – boxes. Too much is very artificial.
> OK
Remember to save what you’ve done.

Note: It is possible to select different areas and give each a different amount of blur to create a feeling of depth in a photograph that is sharp at all distances and looks flat.

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