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Dec 24, 2013 16:44:16   #
Samuraiz Loc: Central Florida
 
Shutterbugsailer wrote:
Unlike the camera, the gun should still work properly after being dropped from five feet


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Dec 24, 2013 16:47:49   #
larrywilk Loc: Palm Harbor, FL
 
Wall-E wrote:
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Maybe yourself?
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Thread Title: Nails for Stiletto TB15?
Hammeruser: I’ve saved up for months and just got my Stiletto TB15SS titanium hammer. At $220 they’re pricey but with the replaceable stainless steel face, ultra light weight handle, and excellent balance I can see myself using this for many years. I’ve had it 3 days now and it’s just wonderful. Does anyone have any suggestions for a good framing nail to use with this hammer?

Hammergeek: You say it’s wonderful but I don’t see any photos of nails you’ve driven. I think it’s just overpriced crap.

Hammerfiend: You know, Ken Rockbuster said the Stiletto is really overpriced and he wouldn’t have one. For $14 you can get a Tekton rubber mallet set. It’s not any good for driving nails, but it is great for body work on your car. That’s what Ken recommends.

MC: If you really were a professional, you’d be using a Graintex SH 1660 sledgehammer. It’s got a 36 inch handle and 20 lb head and can tear through walls in a heartbeat. Your Stiletto can’t touch this.

Hammeruser: I do framing work and carpentry, so tearing through walls really doesn’t apply to my work.
M.C.: That’s because you have absolutely no skills. A good hammer user can drive nails with a 20 pound sledghammer with no problem. You’re one of those rich doctors, aren’t you, that thinks upgrading your hammer is going to make you a better carpenter?

Hammeruser: Here’s a picture of some framing I did with the hammer yesterday in about 2 hours. I really think it’s going to make me more productive.

Hammertime: I blew up those pictures 200%, ran them through Photoshop and measured the arctan radius of the depth of the nailheads. It’s obvious that you were torquing the hammer from right to left when using it, which makes all of the framing you did inconsequenctial and of no use to anyone. A better hammer doesn’t make up for poor technique.
Banger: A real carpenter could have done that with rusty wire and a rock. It’s not about the equipment, it’s about the carpenter.

Hammerangel2: User, don’t pay any attention to M.C., he’s an absolute Graintex fanboy and has lost all perspective.
M.C.: How would you know what I am? I’ve made hundreds of dollars every year with my Graintex tearing down walls, which makes me a full-time professional. You amateurs make me sick.

Newhammerer: I’ve got an order in for mine through Amazon, but I’m concerned about getting a bad copy. How do I test the hammer when I first get it to make sure I have a good copy?
Thor: You guys are all wrong. I do all my work with an SE 11” rock pick. M. C., haven’t you watched Shawshank Redemtion? That guy hammered through a prison with an SE 11. Sure it took a few years, but anything you really love doing you’ll be doing for years. Just because something is newer, doesn’t make it better.

Hammeruser: Could anyone make some suggestions about good nails?

WhammerHammer: Why don’t you read the manual, do a Google search, and stop wasting our time with inane questions? Besides which, if you were a really good hammerer it wouldn’t matter what type of nails you used.

Whacker: H2O just released their latest Impact Index and the Stilleto rated 92.745, the highest impact per oblique force applied they’ve measured (except for jackhammers).
BigBanger: I don’t trust anything H20 measures, they’re numbers are all crap and don’t reflect real-world hammering. Besides, they down score everything to be equivalent to a 6 ounce jewelers hammer, which makes no sense. I prefer a ‘hand’s on’ review. Maxwell’s reviews over at SilverHammer.com really let you know how a hammer does in the real world.

Nailguru2: Hammeruser, while others will stick with the mainstream manufacturers, I’d take a real hard look at Grip Rite galvanized zinc coated sinkers. They’re a classic design, the sharpest nails made, and have amazing microcontact. Plus they’re hand assembled in Germany, not mass-produced in Taiwan.

Hammergeek: All I can say is after reading this thread I’ve cancelled my order for the Stilletto TB15. I’ll wait until the price drops. In the meantime I’m thinking about buying a used TB10 on the Buy and Sell forum.
Banger: Why don’t you rent one for a few days and see how you like it? Hammerrentals.com has them for $29 for 4 days. You could build a nice shed in that amount of time and really get a feel for how it works for you.

WhammerHammer: I agree with Hammergeek. The price is insane. I’ve started a petition to boycott Stilletto until they make their prices more reasonable. They think just because there’s a 4 month waiting list for their new hammers they can charge whatever they want. They’d sell twice as many if they just charged $25.

Euronailer: You guys think you’ve got it bad? Over here the Stilleto is 300 Euros and we’ve got 17% VAT. You guys in the U. S. need to stop complaining. I may fly over to the U. S. and pick one up, the money I save would pay for 1/162 of my air fare.
Justgotmine. I just finished using my brand new Stilleto. Here’s some shots of nails I’ve driven. Do you guys think I have a good copy of the hammer? The nails seem a little crooked to me, but that might just be technique.

Hammerguru: Justgotmine – looking at your images those are pretty long nails. Were you using good technique with a nail stabilizer? It also seems the hammer wasn’t lined up square to the target. It’s impossible for us to help you if you don’t eliminate all the other variables. It could be the hammer, could be the nails, could be technique.

Nailed’em: Nailguru, you’re always over here spouting about ‘microcontact’ and the way the nails ‘render’. That’s all BS put out by you Grip Right elitists. I can get 4 boxes of Smegma nails for what just one box of Grip Right costs and they work just fine.

Banger: I had to try 4 boxes of Smegma nails to get just one that was sharp.

Nailguru2: I’m not a Smegma fan by any means, but if you get soft nails you can send them back to the factory to be resharpened under warranty. I had them resharpen a box of mine and they were incredible!

Nailer: Did you guys see that Hammerrumors.com says that Big Blu hammers is coming out with an X-2 in time for Hammerkina? It’s going to have a synthetic rubber grip, fiberglass shock absorbing, and a semi-square rocker face. I’m holding off any new purchases till I see some nails driven with that baby.

Roger: In this case, it truly is the user, not the hammer: Hammertime
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I am a carpenter and LMAO!!!
:lol: :lol:

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Dec 24, 2013 16:52:40   #
SharpShooter Loc: NorCal
 
Wall-E wrote:
From LensRentals.com
Have a good laugh, and see who you can recognize.
Maybe yourself?
***************************************


Walle, I resemble all of those remarks.
I own two Stilletto Ti hammers. Along with a slough of Lie-Nielsen, Two Cherries, Hirsch, Bridge City, etc, etc. tools.
When you're on a big project with ten other trades, nobody has time to stand around and talk.
That's for guys with cameras ;-)
SS

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Dec 24, 2013 17:43:59   #
ace-mt Loc: Montana
 
Samuraiz wrote:
"Nailed" it!


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Dec 24, 2013 17:53:51   #
10MPlayer Loc: California
 
I frequent a sports car forum occasionally.(note the avatar) Same thing over there. Guys going on about spending $1500 on a new exhaust system to gain 15-20 hp. This on a car with 300 hp at the wheels and an engine limiter to keep it under 160 mph. They actually do rant about certain measuring equipment isn't to be trusted etc.

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Dec 24, 2013 19:53:22   #
Swamp Gator Loc: Coastal South Carolina
 
Samuraiz wrote:
You are absolutely right. It's a good thing that we don't have to send our new camera to a camerasmith before we can use it reliably. Or that the camera manual does't say that we should expect to to take 500 images before all the bugs are worked out. :-D


S&W vs. Glock. Canon vs. Nikon
9mm vs. 45 ACP. Crop sensor vs. FF
Its all around the same.

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Dec 25, 2013 00:26:58   #
BHC Loc: Strawberry Valley, JF, USA
 
This was my response to the earlier posting of this informative dissertation in April of 2012:

"Please be aware that Stiletto just announced the pending release of the TB16SS-1A with built-in levelling-on-impact and nail-head recognition."

For an illustrated version of the original, go to:

http://petapixel.com/2012/04/02/if-carpenters-talked-like-camera-geeks/

It was funny then and, with the passage of time, it gets even better - and more accurate.

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Dec 25, 2013 01:05:39   #
pixbyjnjphotos Loc: Apache Junction,AZ
 
Wall-E wrote:
From LensRentals.com
Have a good laugh, and see who you can recognize.
Maybe yourself?
***************************************

Thread Title: Nails for Stiletto TB15?
Hammeruser: I’ve saved up for months and just got my Stiletto TB15SS titanium hammer. At $220 they’re pricey but with the replaceable stainless steel face, ultra light weight handle, and excellent balance I can see myself using this for many years. I’ve had it 3 days now and it’s just wonderful. Does anyone have any suggestions for a good framing nail to use with this hammer?

Hammergeek: You say it’s wonderful but I don’t see any photos of nails you’ve driven. I think it’s just overpriced crap.

Hammerfiend: You know, Ken Rockbuster said the Stiletto is really overpriced and he wouldn’t have one. For $14 you can get a Tekton rubber mallet set. It’s not any good for driving nails, but it is great for body work on your car. That’s what Ken recommends.

MC: If you really were a professional, you’d be using a Graintex SH 1660 sledgehammer. It’s got a 36 inch handle and 20 lb head and can tear through walls in a heartbeat. Your Stiletto can’t touch this.

Hammeruser: I do framing work and carpentry, so tearing through walls really doesn’t apply to my work.
M.C.: That’s because you have absolutely no skills. A good hammer user can drive nails with a 20 pound sledghammer with no problem. You’re one of those rich doctors, aren’t you, that thinks upgrading your hammer is going to make you a better carpenter?

Hammeruser: Here’s a picture of some framing I did with the hammer yesterday in about 2 hours. I really think it’s going to make me more productive.

Hammertime: I blew up those pictures 200%, ran them through Photoshop and measured the arctan radius of the depth of the nailheads. It’s obvious that you were torquing the hammer from right to left when using it, which makes all of the framing you did inconsequenctial and of no use to anyone. A better hammer doesn’t make up for poor technique.
Banger: A real carpenter could have done that with rusty wire and a rock. It’s not about the equipment, it’s about the carpenter.

Hammerangel2: User, don’t pay any attention to M.C., he’s an absolute Graintex fanboy and has lost all perspective.
M.C.: How would you know what I am? I’ve made hundreds of dollars every year with my Graintex tearing down walls, which makes me a full-time professional. You amateurs make me sick.

Newhammerer: I’ve got an order in for mine through Amazon, but I’m concerned about getting a bad copy. How do I test the hammer when I first get it to make sure I have a good copy?
Thor: You guys are all wrong. I do all my work with an SE 11” rock pick. M. C., haven’t you watched Shawshank Redemtion? That guy hammered through a prison with an SE 11. Sure it took a few years, but anything you really love doing you’ll be doing for years. Just because something is newer, doesn’t make it better.

Hammeruser: Could anyone make some suggestions about good nails?

WhammerHammer: Why don’t you read the manual, do a Google search, and stop wasting our time with inane questions? Besides which, if you were a really good hammerer it wouldn’t matter what type of nails you used.

Whacker: H2O just released their latest Impact Index and the Stilleto rated 92.745, the highest impact per oblique force applied they’ve measured (except for jackhammers).
BigBanger: I don’t trust anything H20 measures, they’re numbers are all crap and don’t reflect real-world hammering. Besides, they down score everything to be equivalent to a 6 ounce jewelers hammer, which makes no sense. I prefer a ‘hand’s on’ review. Maxwell’s reviews over at SilverHammer.com really let you know how a hammer does in the real world.

Nailguru2: Hammeruser, while others will stick with the mainstream manufacturers, I’d take a real hard look at Grip Rite galvanized zinc coated sinkers. They’re a classic design, the sharpest nails made, and have amazing microcontact. Plus they’re hand assembled in Germany, not mass-produced in Taiwan.

Hammergeek: All I can say is after reading this thread I’ve cancelled my order for the Stilletto TB15. I’ll wait until the price drops. In the meantime I’m thinking about buying a used TB10 on the Buy and Sell forum.
Banger: Why don’t you rent one for a few days and see how you like it? Hammerrentals.com has them for $29 for 4 days. You could build a nice shed in that amount of time and really get a feel for how it works for you.

WhammerHammer: I agree with Hammergeek. The price is insane. I’ve started a petition to boycott Stilletto until they make their prices more reasonable. They think just because there’s a 4 month waiting list for their new hammers they can charge whatever they want. They’d sell twice as many if they just charged $25.

Euronailer: You guys think you’ve got it bad? Over here the Stilleto is 300 Euros and we’ve got 17% VAT. You guys in the U. S. need to stop complaining. I may fly over to the U. S. and pick one up, the money I save would pay for 1/162 of my air fare.
Justgotmine. I just finished using my brand new Stilleto. Here’s some shots of nails I’ve driven. Do you guys think I have a good copy of the hammer? The nails seem a little crooked to me, but that might just be technique.

Hammerguru: Justgotmine – looking at your images those are pretty long nails. Were you using good technique with a nail stabilizer? It also seems the hammer wasn’t lined up square to the target. It’s impossible for us to help you if you don’t eliminate all the other variables. It could be the hammer, could be the nails, could be technique.

Nailed’em: Nailguru, you’re always over here spouting about ‘microcontact’ and the way the nails ‘render’. That’s all BS put out by you Grip Right elitists. I can get 4 boxes of Smegma nails for what just one box of Grip Right costs and they work just fine.

Banger: I had to try 4 boxes of Smegma nails to get just one that was sharp.

Nailguru2: I’m not a Smegma fan by any means, but if you get soft nails you can send them back to the factory to be resharpened under warranty. I had them resharpen a box of mine and they were incredible!

Nailer: Did you guys see that Hammerrumors.com says that Big Blu hammers is coming out with an X-2 in time for Hammerkina? It’s going to have a synthetic rubber grip, fiberglass shock absorbing, and a semi-square rocker face. I’m holding off any new purchases till I see some nails driven with that baby.

Roger: In this case, it truly is the user, not the hammer: Hammertime
From LensRentals.com br Have a good laugh, and see... (show quote)


Yep! See this a lot. Funny to some of us but not so funny for the poster. Poster asked about nails. Responders spun the discussion around to hammers really quickly. If the poster wasn't confused when the question was asked, they most certainly were at the end of the discussion and the original question wasn't really answered. Responders to posters questions - beware - just answer the question! It's no wonder some posters get frustrated, especially newbies.

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Dec 25, 2013 02:21:33   #
BHC Loc: Strawberry Valley, JF, USA
 
pixbyjnjphotos wrote:
Yep! See this a lot. Funny to some of us but not so funny for the poster. Poster asked about nails. Responders spun the discussion around to hammers really quickly. If the poster wasn't confused when the question was asked, they most certainly were at the end of the discussion and the original question wasn't really answered. Responders to posters questions - beware - just answer the question! It's no wonder some posters get frustrated, especially newbies.

If you can't hijack a good thread about cheap little nails, what's the fun?

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Dec 25, 2013 02:50:04   #
rebride
 
If you want a bang out of life, let a carpenter nail you.

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Dec 25, 2013 03:04:23   #
BHC Loc: Strawberry Valley, JF, USA
 
rebride wrote:
If you want a bang out of life, let a carpenter nail you.

That was the problem with my first wife; the handyman kept nailing her.

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Dec 25, 2013 03:11:02   #
BHC Loc: Strawberry Valley, JF, USA
 
Wall-E wrote:
From LensRentals.com
Have a good laugh, and see who you can recognize.
Maybe yourself?
***************************************

Thread Title: Nails for Stiletto TB15?

It could be worse; imagine a bunch of drunks discussing their preferences and acquisitions. BAS - Booze Acquisition Syndrome! I'm sure I could find myself in that thread.

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Dec 25, 2013 03:48:28   #
SharpShooter Loc: NorCal
 
Samuraiz wrote:
:thumbup:


And with luck, it won't discharge and hit you in the groin !! :lol:
SS

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Dec 25, 2013 03:53:06   #
SharpShooter Loc: NorCal
 
Mogul wrote:
It could be worse; imagine a bunch of drunks discussing their preferences and acquisitions. BAS - Booze Acquisition Syndrome!

I'm sure I could find myself in that thread.



That would depend on for how long we had already been acquisitioning. :lol:
SS

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Dec 25, 2013 04:03:32   #
BHC Loc: Strawberry Valley, JF, USA
 
SharpShooter wrote:
That would depend on for how long we had already been acquisitioning. :lol:
SS

It's not the acquisition; it's the number of shutter activations we have consumed, the rate of activations (single-shot versus burst mode) and residual image quality that would probably do me in! Especially if I furghot 2 usse th spellllllllcheker#*<>_____

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