SB-700 flash & D7100 learning curve
Dec 23, 2013 14:43:16 #
allen finley photography wrote:
His question refers to his D7100...
Like Topsey, my question just grew.
considering only the D7100, in command mode with - - - set, pop-up raised and on the green auto setting; what is your SB-700 setup?
Dec 23, 2013 15:01:03 #
allen finley photography wrote:
His question refers to his D7100...
Ooops =- You are correct!
Dec 23, 2013 15:15:25 #
Part of the problem is the definitions of the words being used..
In Nikon-speak;
Remote and Commander refer ONLY to the Nikon Creative Light System (CLS). ONLY a Commander can trigger a Nikon speedlite in Remote mode and get iTTL exposure management. A D3xxx does NOT support Commander mode on the pop-up flash. D7xxx does, along with a number of other bodies.
SU4 mode means dumb 'slave'. The nomenclature comes from an 'SU4' optical remote trigger adapter that Nikon sells. The flash fires in conjunction with ANY visible flash. And must be managed manually.
In Nikon-speak;
Remote and Commander refer ONLY to the Nikon Creative Light System (CLS). ONLY a Commander can trigger a Nikon speedlite in Remote mode and get iTTL exposure management. A D3xxx does NOT support Commander mode on the pop-up flash. D7xxx does, along with a number of other bodies.
SU4 mode means dumb 'slave'. The nomenclature comes from an 'SU4' optical remote trigger adapter that Nikon sells. The flash fires in conjunction with ANY visible flash. And must be managed manually.
Dec 23, 2013 18:33:09 #
Understand how to use SB-700 in 'Remote SU-4" mode to trigger from any light source and put out a predetermined light level in "TTL auto" (sync) or "TTL manual"
Understand how to set up SB-700 in "Remote" mode to use with D7100 in Command mode with P,S,A, or M selected and have been led to believe the camera/flash will adjust output to match shooting conditions and the 700 will auto adjust for distance.
Do not understand how to set up to trigger SB-700 when D7100 is in green auto mode and SB-700 is not in "Remote SU-4 mode".
Understand how to set up SB-700 in "Remote" mode to use with D7100 in Command mode with P,S,A, or M selected and have been led to believe the camera/flash will adjust output to match shooting conditions and the 700 will auto adjust for distance.
Do not understand how to set up to trigger SB-700 when D7100 is in green auto mode and SB-700 is not in "Remote SU-4 mode".
Dec 24, 2013 23:39:58 #
"Do not understand how to set up to trigger SB-700 when D7100 is in green auto mode and SB-700 is not in "Remote SU-4 mode".
After reading 79 Ugly forum threads and visiting dozens of google sites, UTubes etc.. etc.. i have come to the conclusion that the combination of D7100 and SB700 in 'remote'
will only work in either "dumb slave" or "NON-TTL Auto" modes unless you purchase several hundred dollars worth of either smart wireless or SU-200 controller. Nikon says the SB800 or 910 have the missing capabilities built into them.
If any one knows better, i am all ears.
To restate the problem: i can trigger the remote SB-700 using M,A,S,or P but cannot trigger it if Auto is selected.
After reading 79 Ugly forum threads and visiting dozens of google sites, UTubes etc.. etc.. i have come to the conclusion that the combination of D7100 and SB700 in 'remote'
will only work in either "dumb slave" or "NON-TTL Auto" modes unless you purchase several hundred dollars worth of either smart wireless or SU-200 controller. Nikon says the SB800 or 910 have the missing capabilities built into them.
If any one knows better, i am all ears.
To restate the problem: i can trigger the remote SB-700 using M,A,S,or P but cannot trigger it if Auto is selected.
Dec 25, 2013 01:18:39 #
Sorry, I only use manual or aperture preferred and my set-up works in those modes. There may be a reason why it won't work in the green "Auto" mode. It could be that you are trying to do something more advanced than the camera is capable of, or thinks it is capable of for that setting on its own. When in commander mode, you control the output of the remote flashes. I rarely use "0" compensation on them. It may need more input from you. The D7100 is a fine camera but it is much more than a point & shoot, which the "A" setting does to it. My suggestion: Learn to use the other modes.
Dec 25, 2013 09:55:40 #
"The D7100 is a fine camera but it is much more than a point & shoot, which the "A" setting does to it"
Your comment has provided my humor for the day. The suggestion that Auto cripples my camera; shame on you, the boys from nikon will be waiting for you next time you set foot outdoors.
Understand what you are saying though and about 90% of the time you will find me in the M or A mode. i'm just more comfortable shooting that way and don't have to worry about setting offsets etc..
My first thought is to chalk up the SB-700/D7100 as a $1300 learning experience and when all this holiday garbage is over go find me a flash that actually works in remote and a camera that can control it. Its a shame cause the D7100 is such a great little camera and a pleasure to shoot with.
My second thought is that i'll just join the un-washed masses, plug some smart wireless into the hot-shoes and get on with life. Probably smarter.
Thanks for every ones help
Your comment has provided my humor for the day. The suggestion that Auto cripples my camera; shame on you, the boys from nikon will be waiting for you next time you set foot outdoors.
Understand what you are saying though and about 90% of the time you will find me in the M or A mode. i'm just more comfortable shooting that way and don't have to worry about setting offsets etc..
My first thought is to chalk up the SB-700/D7100 as a $1300 learning experience and when all this holiday garbage is over go find me a flash that actually works in remote and a camera that can control it. Its a shame cause the D7100 is such a great little camera and a pleasure to shoot with.
My second thought is that i'll just join the un-washed masses, plug some smart wireless into the hot-shoes and get on with life. Probably smarter.
Thanks for every ones help
Dec 25, 2013 10:03:42 #
oldtigger wrote:
"The D7100 is a fine camera but it is much mo... (show quote)
Happy Christmas Tigger - and all you other contributors to this thread.
Tigger, old chap, let me make a suggestion - Goofynewfy and Wall-E know what they're talking about when it comes to flash. Have a couple of private conversations with them, laying out your needs, and give them the time to help you through your problem. You have great gear which is totally compatible - you need to spend time with these guys assistance and LEARN how to use it properly. They will help you !
Dec 25, 2013 10:35:18 #
"LEARN how to use it properly"
I've found almost a dozen after market and OEM ad-ons which will allow this mode of operation. If the combination could do it on its own at no cost there wouldn't be much of a market for them.
I like Newfie, been a lot of help for me, but if he knows how to do this, he ain't talking. Besides, page 305 of the D7100 manual says it won't work on anything less than an SB800.
I've found almost a dozen after market and OEM ad-ons which will allow this mode of operation. If the combination could do it on its own at no cost there wouldn't be much of a market for them.
I like Newfie, been a lot of help for me, but if he knows how to do this, he ain't talking. Besides, page 305 of the D7100 manual says it won't work on anything less than an SB800.
Dec 25, 2013 10:49:48 #
oldtigger wrote:
"LEARN how to use it properly"
I've found almost a dozen after market and OEM ad-ons which will allow this mode of operation. If the combination could do it on its own at no cost there wouldn't be much of a market for them.
I like Newfie, been a lot of help for me, but if he knows how to do this, he ain't talking. Besides, page 305 of the D7100 manual says it won't work on anything less than an SB800.
I've found almost a dozen after market and OEM ad-ons which will allow this mode of operation. If the combination could do it on its own at no cost there wouldn't be much of a market for them.
I like Newfie, been a lot of help for me, but if he knows how to do this, he ain't talking. Besides, page 305 of the D7100 manual says it won't work on anything less than an SB800.
Tigger - please use the "Quote Reply" box at the bottom of the post to which you wish to respond. Sorry, I don't have D7100 or SB700. But I do know that the two gents I referred to above can help you. So can Captain C. And I'm certain that, if you want to fire the SB700 remotely from the D7100, and in iTTL mode, then you can do it. All those guys will show you how.
It's Christmas Day - I'm partying. Have a good 'un !
Dec 25, 2013 11:33:18 #
craggycrossers wrote:
Tigger - please use the "Quote Reply" box at the bottom of the post to which you wish to respond. Sorry, I don't have D7100 or SB700. But I do know that the two gents I referred to above can help you. So can Captain C. And I'm certain that, if you want to fire the SB700 remotely from the D7100, and in iTTL mode, then you can do it. All those guys will show you how.
It's Christmas Day - I'm partying. Have a good 'un !
It's Christmas Day - I'm partying. Have a good 'un !
Captain C was following the thread but couldn't come up with a solution either.
If you come up with the solution you could save owners of D3xxx nd D7xxx cameras millions of dollars in add-on purchases.
Enjoy your party and merry xmas
Dec 25, 2013 23:01:00 #
oldtigger wrote:
I like Newfie, been a lot of help for me, but if he knows how to do this, he ain't talking. Besides, page 305 of the D7100 manual says it won't work on anything less than an SB800.
Thanks!
I don't know how to do this in full auto even if I could and frankly don't want to give the camera full control, especially aperture. I like to be able to control as many aspects of the image as I can. Aperture controls depth of field, the flash freezes movement and I watch or set the shutter to control the ambient light. Full auto is not for me. As I said before, all I ever use is manual or aperture preferred.
Dec 26, 2013 13:34:43 #
oldtigger wrote:
"The D7100 is a fine camera but it is much more than a point & shoot, which the "A" setting does to it"
Your comment has provided my humor for the day. The suggestion that Auto cripples my camera; shame on you, the boys from nikon will be waiting for you next time you set foot outdoors.
Your comment has provided my humor for the day. The suggestion that Auto cripples my camera; shame on you, the boys from nikon will be waiting for you next time you set foot outdoors.
I have 'Auto' on my company camera, a D40.
It makes the stupidest decisions, especially related to flash use.
So, I will agree with Newfie that the 'A' mode makes your camera no better than a P&S.
"P" on the other hand, does enough to get me the shot, but leaves ME to decide whether to use flash or not.
So, I downloaded, searched and read the D7100 manual about flash and commander.
Auto-Aperture and non-TTL auto are not available with an SB700. (all the more reason to get an SB800 or SB910)
To use the SB700 as an off-camera auto-exposure flash, you MUST have either the pop-up or the SB700 in iTTL (so that something emits the exposure preflash)
See pages 126 and 305 of your manual.
Or you can spend the money for radio frequency (rf) units.
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