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Dec 17, 2013 16:17:54   #
wonkytripod Loc: Peterborough UK
 
My first attempt at B&W street photography. Shot a burst of shots and in the last 2 she had noticed me and smiled. Slight PP when converting to B&W. Would appreciate your thoughts.



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Dec 17, 2013 16:22:32   #
riada22 Loc: Edinburgh - Scotland
 
Good capture and she has a nice smile.

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Dec 17, 2013 17:16:20   #
Bob Yankle Loc: Burlington, NC
 
Brighter and sharper please. After you convert to B&W, you still need to adjust light levels and contrast to bring out your subject.

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Dec 18, 2013 11:39:09   #
abc1234 Loc: Elk Grove Village, Illinois
 
This is a wonderful, whimsical candid. She looks great. Here comes the "but". The folks on the left killed the picture. They are very distracting and even if you crop them away, the picture becomes too vertical. You might clone away the lady on the right but you still have a problem with the couple on the left. You might go back and shoot the uncluttered background on the left and copy it over.

Grab shots rarely allow retakes. Not much you could have done about it except go back and be patient. It will pay off and perhaps your fetching subject might oblige you again.

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Dec 18, 2013 12:02:29   #
Nightski
 
Andrew, I respectfully disagree with abc1234. If it was a portrait shot, he would be right, but it is a street shot, and therefore needs the context of what is going on around the girl. In this case, I see a sweet smiling girl amongst crabby people, who are probably crabby because it's cold, and they just want to get home. But this one girl, stops to take in what is going on around her. She puts off the cold, dampness of the day, gets outside of herself, and smiles at you. Congratulations for catching that moment.

I don't know if that is the real story, but it is the story I take away from it.

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Dec 18, 2013 12:21:23   #
abc1234 Loc: Elk Grove Village, Illinois
 
Nightski wrote:
Andrew, I respectfully disagree with abc1234. If it was a portrait shot, he would be right, but it is a street shot, and therefore needs the context of what is going on around the girl. In this case, I see a sweet smiling girl amongst crabby people, who are probably crabby because it's cold, and they just want to get home. But this one girl, stops to take in what is going on around her. She puts off the cold, dampness of the day, gets outside of herself, and smiles at you. Congratulations for catching that moment.

I don't know if that is the real story, but it is the story I take away from it.
Andrew, I respectfully disagree with abc1234. If i... (show quote)


Nightski, what bothers me so much about the other couple, crabby or otherwise, is they are looking out of the frame while our lady is right at us, drawing us in and engaging us. In other words, the two elements clash with each. For me, the number of people in the scene does not matter but the interplay among them does. The interplay here is pulling in different directions for me.

Are you familiar with Vivian Meyer?

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Dec 18, 2013 12:27:17   #
Nightski
 
abc1234 wrote:
Nightski, what bothers me so much about the other couple, crabby or otherwise, is they are looking out of the frame while our lady is right at us, drawing us in and engaging us. In other words, the two elements clash with each. For me, the number of people in the scene does not matter but the interplay among them does. The interplay here is pulling in different directions for me.

Are you familiar with Vivian Meyer?


:-) I have seen her images. I will look at them again today. I see your point. While Andrew had the moment on the girl, he did not have it with everyone in his frame. This is his first attempt at street photography. I think this point you have just made to me is much more relevant to his first attempt at street photography. Your first comment would have been helpful to someone doing a portrait.

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Dec 18, 2013 12:35:15   #
abc1234 Loc: Elk Grove Village, Illinois
 
Nightski, you could be doing streets for fifty years and still have this situation. You cannot help it. You do not have time to wait for the decisive moment or pose people. This is not portrait photography. You usually are paying attention to one person and do not see them until later.

That being said, how good the woman is should be enough of inspiration to do more and the old folks a reason to be a bit more careful.

A final point: cropping off the lower half of her body is not to my liking. However, the smile is still wonderful.

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Dec 18, 2013 12:42:50   #
Nightski
 
I completely agree, ABC. :-) Andrew just needs to do the time out on the street with his camera and the opportunity will present itself. :-) This just wasn't the exact right moment. Close...but not quite.

He does look like he's ready to capture the moment. This shot took some quick thinking.

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Dec 18, 2013 12:53:58   #
abc1234 Loc: Elk Grove Village, Illinois
 
Nightski, I forgot to mention her gloves. Too bad her hands were cut off because I think they would have added some delightful character to the picture.

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Dec 18, 2013 12:57:13   #
riada22 Loc: Edinburgh - Scotland
 
If only she knew the discussion that ensued. But it's still a nice smile that's one thing you wouldn't want to change.

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Dec 18, 2013 12:57:48   #
Nightski
 
abc1234 wrote:
Nightski, I forgot to mention her gloves. Too bad her hands were cut off because I think they would have added some delightful character to the picture.


You have a good eye, ABC, and a trained one. Thank you for helping us out here in the PC&A. :-D

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Dec 18, 2013 14:12:48   #
wonkytripod Loc: Peterborough UK
 
Nightski wrote:
You have a good eye, ABC, and a trained one. Thank you for helping us out here in the PC&A. :-D


Hi Sandra & ABC, the original post was the last one of a burst of shots. Here is another from the set just before she saw me taking the photos for your comparison.

They were watching the hounds and riders leaving the area which is why the others turned but she stayed to smile.

I don't know if this helps with the story



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Dec 18, 2013 14:20:25   #
wonkytripod Loc: Peterborough UK
 
abc1234 wrote:
Nightski, you could be doing streets for fifty years and still have this situation. You cannot help it. You do not have time to wait for the decisive moment or pose people. This is not portrait photography. You usually are paying attention to one person and do not see them until later.

That being said, how good the woman is should be enough of inspiration to do more and the old folks a reason to be a bit more careful.

A final point: cropping off the lower half of her body is not to my liking. However, the smile is still wonderful.
Nightski, you could be doing streets for fifty yea... (show quote)


Hello abc1234, Thank you for your comments, The shots were taken at a hunting meet so there was a lot more things that I were shooting on the day as well.

I appreciate all the comments you have made with your conversations with Nightski as well.

The cropping off of the bodies was down to the lens I were shooting with and the distance I was away from the group when I walked around the corner and saw them.

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Dec 18, 2013 14:21:20   #
wonkytripod Loc: Peterborough UK
 
Bob Yankle wrote:
Brighter and sharper please. After you convert to B&W, you still need to adjust light levels and contrast to bring out your subject.


Thanks for your input Bob, very much appreciated.

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