Advocating child abuse under the guise of disciplining.. This is a BBC article that mentions a book widely sold in the US among 'fundamentalist christians'.

Rongnongno Loc: FL

This is a BBC article that mentions a book widely sold in the US among 'fundamentalist christians'.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-25268343

After reading this you have to wonder why the hell are those people calling themselves anything but evil.

nairiam Loc: Bonnie Scotland

Rongnongno wrote:

This is a BBC article that mentions a book widely sold in the US among 'fundamentalist christians'.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-25268343

After reading this you have to wonder why the hell are those people calling themselves anything but evil.

First paragraph, do you think the wording is deliberate?

Quote "A child-raising book that advocates WHIPPING WITH BRANCHES and belts has sold hundreds of thousands of copies to evangelical Christians. But the deaths of three children whose parents appear to have been influenced by the authors' teachings have PROVOKED A GROWING BACKLASH." (My emphasis)

SpeedyWilson Loc: Upstate South Carolina

I'm getting tired of beating my kids. You'd think that at ages 40 and 35, they would have learned to obey me by now.

Maybe I need to do something different, like take away their allowances, or make them stand in the corner.

Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.

Rongnongno wrote:

This is a BBC article that mentions a book widely sold in the US among 'fundamentalist christians'.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-25268343

After reading this you have to wonder why the hell are those people calling themselves anything but evil.

Oh! I don't know when I was a kid and got out of line I was spanked with a belt, even paddled in school with a pretty hefty paddle buy a 6'4" athletic teacher who did not hold back... Never felt abused but did learn to watch my manners and always knew that there would be repercussions for my bad acts.

Now I will say that when my parents spanked me with a belt that it was always in a controlled manner, laying prone in the bed and getting strapped across my butt and buckles and such never came into play... Honestly I think that today's youth suffers a bit from not seeing consequences to their actions...

Of course you are probably horrified by my words.

I would remind you that there are idiots among us as well as people who would never be suited to become parents evangelical or not.... there are just some people who can't control their tempers or themselves and I don't think that their religion has anything to do with it...

You know that there are several examples out there of liberals killing their children too.

tradio Loc: Oxford, Ohio

Too funny MisterWilson!

Rongnongno Loc: FL

Blurryeyed wrote:

... Of course you are probably horrified by my words...

Nope, was raised the same way and because of it I do not raise a hand on children nor do I encourage it. I also recognize the merit of a swat on a kid's behind but open handed and w/o the added strength of a paddle, birches of anything of that nature.

When folks start advocating 'breaking a child' so that he complies with whatever the **** adult wants I get serious problems, I hope you do too.

No, mistreating kids for any reason is not centralized onto christian fundamentalist but the incidence is greater in uneducated environment where 'faith' (what ever it is) is looked at as the a 'solution' and forcing the children into it in the long run drives them away or makes them worse offenders as at that level it becomes a crime.

nairiam Loc: Bonnie Scotland

Blurryeyed wrote:

Of course you are probably horrified by

I think it's all a question of interpretation of the old saying; "Spare the rod and spoil the child."
I don't believe in 'rod' in the literal sense, but can't fail it in the metaphoric sense.
Like you Blurryeyed, my upbringing was strict, but in the vein of 'you will do as you are told!' Honestly believe it didn't do me any harm and certainly helped shape me. I didn't hand out the same treatment to my children only because it wasn't required. A different age for adults as well as children, seeing things differently.
Never felt the brunt of parent anger at any time, I was spanked because I deserved it! I can't imagine today's sentiment in the example of being 'strapped' at school, always on the hand, with a thick - very thick, leather strap. I daren't tell my parents as another punishment would follow.
The good old days!!

Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.

Rongnongno wrote:

Nope, was raised the same way and because of it I ... (show quote)

I did not read but a small portion of the article, just responded to discipline of children, I have no problem in spanking a child, and to be honest with my children it was almost always on the butt with an open hand, I only ever went through the belt routine with my children once or twice and honestly I did not like it any more than they did.... but yes, I feel that spanking is sometime appropriate if children continue to contest authority, and I also think that it should be very controlled, a parent cannot afford to lose their temper when disciplining a child.... finally I think that corporal punishment is ineffective after the age of about 8 to 10 years old...

venturer9 Loc: Newton, Il.

Here is an exerpt from the article....

Michael Pearl is a pastor in Pleasantville, Tennessee. First published in 1994, the book soon became popular among fundamentalist, non-denominational groups outside mainstream Christian culture.

YOU MIGHT HAVE NOTICED IF YOU HAD READ MORE THAN THE HEADLINE..
Non-Denominatal groups OUTSIDE the mainstream Christian Culture...

ie... with out knowing (As you Don't) how many of even the Splinger Groups indulge in "BEATINGS" or how many in the Main Line Christian Orginizations such as Baptist, Christian, Nazarene, Etc... DO NOT indulge in BEATINGS...

In other words.... like one of you said on another post, "The faux news idiots hate anything the President does" (paraphrased) I can say that the "Left Wing Idiots on here Hate anything that has to do with Christianity...." I raised 5 children and have 24 Grand/greatgrand Children and have NEVER touched any of them with anything other than the flat of my hand.

Mike

Rongnongno Loc: FL

lol @ selective quote.

"fuller quote": among fundamentalist, non-denominational groups outside mainstream Christian culture.

Had you noticed in the following conversation:

What I wrote:

No, mistreating kids for any reason is not centralized onto christian fundamentalist but the incidence is greater in uneducated environment where 'faith' (what ever it is) is looked at as the a 'solution'

THAT deflates all your 'accusations', doesn't it?

sunshooter Loc: Coppell, TX (ouside Dallas)

As a child, I was spanked when I deserved it. And I deserved quite a few spankings. As I approach my 72nd birthday, I truly believe that I am a better man today because of those spankings. "Time outs?" What utter rubbish!

Rongnongno Loc: FL

This post is NOT against disciplining. It is against ABUSE of it.

It not an argument for or against today's 'education' either.

What the article expose rightly is that this type of abuse takes place in specific areas of our society. It also exposes that some 'christian' (the author) is making money promoting something that is wrong and no one stops him.

The rest, how we were raised or how we raise our kids, is frankly none of anybody's business as long as it does not include harming the children physically or emotionally.

Bangee5 Loc: Louisiana

Rongnongno wrote:

This post is NOT against disciplining. It is agai... (show quote)

Rongnongno, I understand where you are coming from. I did not deserve most of the "spankings" that I received. Most of the time I did not know the reason for my mothers wrath. A broom handle over the head is not a pleasant feeling. My mother never did know how to express love for any of her children but I know that she cared very much for us. It was only later in life that I understood her anger. Did the beatings make me a better person? Hell know! Did I respect my parents for the "spankings" I received? There is no respect nor love in fear. But I got even with my mother, I became her caregiver during her last days on earth and gave her the love and respect that she never gave me. Was my spankings abuse, yes but I over came.

You can not put Christians into a box. We are not all the same. Take away the name and we are no different than anyone else. Actually, we are no different than anyone else with the name. It is just that more is expected out of us.

Rongnongno Loc: FL

... The 'christian' thing comes because the author is using his credentials as a 'leader of church'. Personally I see this happening all over where there is no education and some sort of 'faith' or 'beliefs' that are far from being whatever they called themselves but evil.

Note that I am detaching myself from the sticker 'christian' buy always using quotation marks. To me, a christian is silent except when he/she acts a witness.

'Christians' like that author and his ilk can go to the medieval notion of hell while still alive for all I care. THAT is very err... 'un' christian of me so maybe I should go burn there too.

magicray Loc: Tampa Bay, Florida

Rongnongno wrote:

This is a BBC article that mentions a book widely sold in the US among 'fundamentalist christians'.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-25268343

After reading this you have to wonder why the hell are those people calling themselves anything but evil.

The book advocates "breaking your children" and "training up". What total nonsense. This could certainly lead to abuse in god's name. It's an attempt for the Shepard to control his flock and make sure they don't 'stray'. Children aren't sheep or wild horses. If they are shown violence at an early age they will grow up believing it is acceptable behavior.