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Nov 23, 2013 17:43:20   #
Dakota Boreas
 
Because of his belief that lowering taxes, smaller government, personal responsibility, and peace through strength were what the country needed, would JFK be a Tea Party member today?

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Nov 23, 2013 17:56:10   #
Hal81 Loc: Bucks County, Pa.
 
He would get my vote.

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Nov 23, 2013 18:04:01   #
bob44044 Loc: Ohio
 
Yes,

There is no doubt!
There is no doubt!...

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Nov 23, 2013 20:38:38   #
Dakota Boreas
 
Hal81 wrote:
He would get my vote.


Mine Too. :thumbup: :thumbup:

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Nov 23, 2013 20:42:49   #
Dakota Boreas
 
bob44044 wrote:
Yes,


:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

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Nov 23, 2013 21:39:11   #
magicray Loc: Tampa Bay, Florida
 
Probably. He would however want to keep the government out of our bedrooms and be supportive of a woman's right to choose and also keep organized religious dogmas out of government and into the home and church where they belong.

The family values concept of the Tea Party is rather vague. Who's to choose what proper family values are? Religious leaders? Politicians? Like they know anything about values.

imo

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Nov 23, 2013 22:32:58   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
magicray wrote:
Probably. He would however want to keep the government out of our bedrooms and be supportive of a woman's right to choose and also keep organized religious dogmas out of government and into the home and church where they belong.

The family values concept of the Tea Party is rather vague. Who's to choose what proper family values are? Religious leaders? Politicians? Like they know anything about values.

imo


The reason the family values of the Tea Party is rather vague is because it is grass roots and comprised of different types of people, but I don't think that the Tea Party goes around getting to involved with right to life, I think that you are confusing evangelical republicans with the Tea Party... Not quite the same although there are those who would like to combine the two, ie the 912r's but they really are not the same as the Tea Party. Tea Party is more about constitutional government as the constitution was written, not as the courts have rewritten it, fiscal restraint, and less government in our economy and lives.

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Nov 23, 2013 23:43:38   #
magicray Loc: Tampa Bay, Florida
 
Blurryeyed wrote:
The reason the family values of the Tea Party is rather vague is because it is grass roots and comprised of different types of people, but I don't think that the Tea Party goes around getting to involved with right to life, I think that you are confusing evangelical republicans with the Tea Party... Not quite the same although there are those who would like to combine the two, ie the 912r's but they really are not the same as the Tea Party. Tea Party is more about constitutional government as the constitution was written, not as the courts have rewritten it, fiscal restraint, and less government in our economy and lives.
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If that's the case I guess I'm a new member of the Tea Party. Who wodda thought?

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Nov 24, 2013 00:20:55   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
magicray wrote:
If that's the case I guess I'm a new member of the Tea Party. Who wodda thought?

:thumbup:


I meant to use the libertarian element of the Tea Party as an example to demonstrate how they are misunderstood, it seems that these days that any lunacy coming out of the right is attributed to the Tea Party, but libertarians are so socially liberal that they make conservatives uncomfortable, even so the organizational roots of the Tea Party stretch back to the libertarian movement and libertarians have found a home for their political movement within the Tea Party. So, they can't be as socially conservative as the dems and our national media would have you believe.

Having said that it is also true that they in different areas of the country have put up some pretty bad candidates, that idiot on Missouri comes to mind as well as that jackass out of Illinois who was actually elected and served a term, then you have the "I'm not a witch" candidate, and Sharon Angle who lost to Harry Reid when he by all counts should have been sent packing...

It is a young and for the most part loosely organized movement and will continue to put up a few more bad candidates in the years to come, but they are currently the only group in the country actually doing something to try and shake up and change DC.

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Nov 24, 2013 08:53:30   #
bob44044 Loc: Ohio
 
Tea Party is not socially liberal. They just do not us person life as political sport. But the example of the concept of a women's right to chose is contrary to the Constitutions right to "life". However, they do not take a public sport of it.

The Tea Party's image in todays political arena has been crafted by the left in the same way Nazi's branded Jew's. By the way the Nazi's were a leftist organization, even thought todays liberals have tried hard today to make the public think of Nazi's as the extreme right. Nazi's were Socialist that used extreme means to get their way, just like all leftist groups have done in the past. Gives enough time all leftist have ended up killing more people in this world than any political group ever. It's their only way to stay in power.

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Nov 24, 2013 10:40:56   #
Frank T Loc: New York, NY
 
Bob,
Nazis weren't socialists. They were fascists.
There is a difference and comparing them to either United States Citizens who happen to be either liberal or conservative is offensive in either case.

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Nov 24, 2013 10:46:33   #
Hal81 Loc: Bucks County, Pa.
 
magicray wrote:
Probably. He would however want to keep the government out of our bedrooms and be supportive of a woman's right to choose and also keep organized religious dogmas out of government and into the home and church where they belong.

The family values concept of the Tea Party is rather vague. Who's to choose what proper family values are? Religious leaders? Politicians? Like they know anything about values.

imo


I agree JFK would want to keep them out of the bedrooms due to his own indiscrestions. The SS used to joke about putting a revolving door on the back of the white house for all his girlfriends. But haveing said that he did his best to keep this country safe. Not selling us down the river like the troll we have in there now. If I had more time I would tell you what I realy think.

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Nov 24, 2013 12:16:07   #
amyinsparta Loc: White county, TN
 
Frank T wrote:
Bob,
Nazis weren't socialists. They were fascists.
There is a difference and comparing them to either United States Citizens who happen to be either liberal or conservative is offensive in either case.


THANK YOU.

The battle is actually still between fascist and socialist values. Fascists want the Corporations to control the means of production and socialists want the govt. to do it. Fascism at it's worst is nothing more than a few running the affairs of the many. Socialism at its worse(communism) is nothing more than the few running the affairs of the many. All parties/factions want one thing-the power to tell the rest how it's going to be in their world.

Where once in this country there was compromise and the knowledge that the middle way was the best way. Now, there is no such thing as a middle way. There is only those who want a Christian(and I use that term loosely) dominated govt. who makes it a sin to be any kind of person but that which they deem holy,demonizing the rest; corporate lackeys who want to make most working people serfs with no benefits whatsoever; and those who want all opinions and ways of life to be considered acceptable.

We are beyond cooperation now because the polarization has already been established. Unless/until that reverses and we can come to some common philosophy of living, this country is heading toward chaos. Of course, it seems that a whole lot of people actually want that to happen because they think their philosophy will win and no cost will be too high to get that done.

very, very sad

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Nov 24, 2013 12:21:03   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
amyinsparta wrote:
THANK YOU.

The battle is actually still between fascist and socialist values. Fascists want the Corporations to control the means of production and socialists want the govt. to do it. Fascism at it's worst is nothing more than a few running the affairs of the many. Socialism at its worse(communism) is nothing more than the few running the affairs of the many. All parties/factions want one thing-the power to tell the rest how it's going to be in their world.

Where once in this country there was compromise and the knowledge that the middle way was the best way. Now, there is no such thing as a middle way. There is only those who want a Christian(and I use that term loosely) dominated govt. who makes it a sin to be any kind of person but that which they deem holy,demonizing the rest; corporate lackeys who want to make most working people serfs with no benefits whatsoever; and those who want all opinions and ways of life to be considered acceptable.

We are beyond cooperation now because the polarization has already been established. Unless/until that reverses and we can come to some common philosophy of living, this country is heading toward chaos. Of course, it seems that a whole lot of people actually want that to happen because they think their philosophy will win and no cost will be too high to get that done.

very, very sad
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Amy, with all due respect.... this post is garbage! The fact is that our current administration is the most fascist administration that we have seen in my lifetime, yet you post this as if there only exist two choices, Fascism vs Socialism are false choices, what conservatives fight for is free markets, when I say conservatives I am not necessarily speaking of republican politicians because they just as their democratic counterparts for the most part wholly owned by interest groups... But I have to take extreme exception to your post as it is not a realistic view of the battle that ensues in this country.

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Nov 24, 2013 18:06:36   #
Dakota Boreas
 
Definitions and methods may change, but the true battle is between those who want the government to control the people, and those who want the people to control the government. Count me among the latter.

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