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Nov 8, 2013 22:22:25   #
Wahawk Loc: NE IA
 
Bloke wrote:
I did use the DPP in the end, although to be honest, I don't see much difference in the quality between the raw and the camera jpegs... I used the raw to generate the HDR, but the other 2 were plain jpegs. I suppose when I start getting more clever with my shots and what I am doing with them, the raw will come in more useful.

I am just a bit disappointed that this book I have been studying seems to have lead me right up the garden path, in regards to CS2 and Camera Raw.


Try the 'in-camera' HDR setting too! I have seen awesome HDR results with 3 short HDR from the jpg-fine files!

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Nov 9, 2013 07:45:34   #
cthahn
 
Bloke wrote:
Hi, I took my new SX50 out today for the first time - only got it last night. I was driving a bunch of daycare kids to a stable, so I thought it was a good chance to try it out.

Here are a couple of samples, including my first HDR attempt, made using the supplied DPP program. The horse moved between shots, but the program handled it well.
Most of the horse shots I took have kids in them, so I can't post them here.

Anyway, I have CS2, and I have been reading a book called "Camera Raw with CS2", or words to that effect. It says in there that Camera Raw will start as soon as you point Bridge at a folder which contains raw files. Well, it doesn't. Not only that, but the "open in Camera Raw" option on the menu is greyed out. Can anyone tell me what I am missing here? This is the first time I have had access to any raw files to try this out.

I was pleasantly surprised to find that the program I use for general viewing (Irfanview) handled the raw files with no problem at all. I didn't try to edit them in there, though.

My first impressions of the camera itself are a bit mixed. It is very small in the hands, but with all the extra controls it has over my little P&S, my thumb keeps selecting stuff accidentally. I had bracketting turned on for a while, until I could figure out how to turn it off again! Good job film is cheap! Also, the self-timer kept setting itself. I am sure I will get to grips with it, though.

I am impressed with the 'reach' of the lens, of course. The 3rd picture shows that quite well. My old camera has a whopping 5x zoom on it, so this is an embarrasment of riches in that regard!

I appreciate comments, but do bear in mind that this was just my first stumbling try, and it was freezing cold, too!
Hi, I took my new SX50 out today for the first tim... (show quote)


You purchased a camera just for the 50x zoom. You joined he zoom craze just so you can play zoom. If you are any kind of a photographer at all, you will start understanding there are other specifications regarding lens specifications that you have no clue about.

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Nov 9, 2013 07:50:01   #
Wahawk Loc: NE IA
 
cthahn wrote:
You purchased a camera just for the 50x zoom. You joined he zoom craze just so you can play zoom. If you are any kind of a photographer at all, you will start understanding there are other specifications regarding lens specifications that you have no clue about.


:thumbdown: :thumbdown: :thumbdown: :thumbdown:

There is a LOT more to that camera than just the 50x zoom! You need to know what you are talking about before making stupid remarks like this!!

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Nov 9, 2013 08:11:30   #
Elliern Loc: Myrtle Beach, SC
 
cthahn wrote:
You purchased a camera just for the 50x zoom. You joined he zoom craze just so you can play zoom. If you are any kind of a photographer at all, you will start understanding there are other specifications regarding lens specifications that you have no clue about.


Cthahn.....why do you continue to put other people, their equipment and their comments down? It really does not make you look good in any way. It certainly does not make you look knowledgeable nor supererior.
I hope you will consider making your posts more helpful to those of us who read these forums and wish to learn from and share information and experiences with others. I look forward to learning from you as well.

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Nov 9, 2013 08:23:00   #
Dlevon Loc: New Jersey
 
Wahawk wrote:
Try the 'in-camera' HDR setting too! I have seen awesome HDR results with 3 short HDR from the jpg-fine files!


The in camera HDR results are really good! I use it only sometimes.
. I guess I'm just not that critical !

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Nov 9, 2013 10:28:34   #
Bloke Loc: Waynesboro, Pennsylvania
 
cthahn wrote:
You purchased a camera just for the 50x zoom. You joined he zoom craze just so you can play zoom. If you are any kind of a photographer at all, you will start understanding there are other specifications regarding lens specifications that you have no clue about.


I was looking for a new camera, and that feature (along with the other stuff which it shares with almost every other camera) was the deciding factor. I wanted a long lens, and - as I stated - the cost of such a lens for a dslr is way beyond my purchasing power. So yes, the zoom was important in my decision.

I have read enough of your moronic comments. Go away.

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Nov 9, 2013 12:52:30   #
GaryI Loc: NY & Fla
 
Nice pics.

I have the same gear. I find DPP great for the raw conversion and basic global editing. It has an export function that saves it in a predetermined file while opening it up in your editor (if your editor is not photoshop, you can open it to any program using the batch export. I've been pretty happy with the results and ease of use.

Good luck.

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Nov 9, 2013 12:56:53   #
GaryI Loc: NY & Fla
 
I completely agree. The only real downside I've found is the small aperture play. And I can compensate for that in the editor.

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Nov 9, 2013 13:10:14   #
GaryI Loc: NY & Fla
 
CR2 is Canons raw file, directly out of the camera, not processed in any way. That's why it looks very flat and many programs can't display it. DNG is Adobie's "next generation" to a tiff file, better designed for photographic editing use. (Tiff was originally designed for archival purposes in the publishing industry).

You can store an edited picture in a DNG file, not so with CR2.

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Nov 9, 2013 13:58:51   #
Dlevon Loc: New Jersey
 
GaryI wrote:
CR2 is Canons raw file, directly out of the camera, not processed in any way. That's why it looks very flat and many programs can't display it. DNG is Adobie's "next generation" to a tiff file, better designed for photographic editing use. (Tiff was originally designed for archival purposes in the publishing industry).

You can store an edited picture in a DNG file, not so with CR2.


I still love DPP and CR2 images. Been using them for years when working raw for fun.

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Nov 9, 2013 14:29:01   #
Bloke Loc: Waynesboro, Pennsylvania
 
GaryI wrote:

You can store an edited picture in a DNG file, not so with CR2.


Oh, I didn't realise that. If I manage to get the subscription to CC, I will probably use the DNG, since all my stuff will be adobe anyway.

I am trying to figure out how to handle raw in terms of my file system. For years, I only had jpg capability, but I always kept the camera-original untouched and pristine, in a 'raw' folder. I would copy the whole bunch somewhere else to work on. Now, I am shooting raw+fine, I don't think there is any reason to store the 'original' jpeg, is there? If I have the raw file stored, I can always get back a copy of the original jpeg from that. Unless I am misunderstanding something along the way! Other than my few attempts at hdr, I really haven't seen any big difference between the raw and the camera jpeg.

I understand (I think...) about the added editing capability the raw gives, but a lot of the time I am happy with the default.

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Nov 9, 2013 16:07:46   #
GaryI Loc: NY & Fla
 
I don't think you understand, let me try to explain.

All cameras take pictures in raw. The camera can convert them to jpeg and store them. Converting them to jpeg means the camera does 5 things to the image in a standard predetermined way,
1) adjust the contrast and lighting,
2)reduce the electronic noise,
3)compress the file (jpg is a lossy compression which means every time you open or edit the pic you will slightly degrade it, other compressions may be lossless),
4) crop the image,
5) replace the raw extension with a .jpg extension.

Jpeg was originally designed to display images, not edit them.

When you convert a raw image like .cr2, you have to do some if not all the above. The advantage is that you can adjust things to your liking. Once you do the adjustments, you can choose to save the image as a jpeg, or any one of many file formats.

This is a lot to chew on. I hope this is clear.

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Nov 9, 2013 16:46:48   #
Bloke Loc: Waynesboro, Pennsylvania
 
GaryI wrote:
I don't think you understand, let me try to explain.

All cameras take pictures in raw. The camera can convert them to jpeg and store them. Converting them to jpeg means the camera does 5 things to the image in a standard predetermined way,
1) adjust the contrast and lighting,
2)reduce the electronic noise,
3)compress the file (jpg is a lossy compression which means every time you open or edit the pic you will slightly degrade it, other compressions may be lossless),
4) crop the image,
5) replace the raw extension with a .jpg extension.

Jpeg was originally designed to display images, not edit them.

When you convert a raw image like .cr2, you have to do some if not all the above. The advantage is that you can adjust things to your liking. Once you do the adjustments, you can choose to save the image as a jpeg, or any one of many file formats.

This is a lot to chew on. I hope this is clear.
I don't think you understand, let me try to explai... (show quote)


I understand that. Mostly! My point, though, is that the jpegs coming out of my camera are mainly pretty good anyway. Unless I am wanting to boost something specific, I don't feel the need to mess with them.

I am also at a bit of a turning point. So far, I have mainly been working on scans from negatives, taken in the dim and distant past. Lots of retouching, removing scratches, dust marks, all that good stuff. Until I can afford to have another batch scanned, I am now working with digital stuff, finally! I was out this morning taking my new SX50 for a walk in the woods, and I have about 200 new photos to play with. Scanning through, I can't see any that need retouching, or even cropping. There are a couple that I want to work on, plus several that I shot with an eye to converting to B&W. It just feels so GOOD not to have to go through each and every photo, removing scratches and dust!

Thanks for your comments.

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Nov 9, 2013 19:00:56   #
Merlin1300 Loc: New England, But Now & Forever SoTX
 
Bloke wrote:
Hi, I took my new SX50 out today for the first time - only got it last night.
Bloke: Just Great shots !! SX 50 looks like a fab all-in-one choice. I have the 7D - if Canon ever comes out with the 7D Mk-II with GPS and a flip screen, I'll be all over that - - otherwise, will consider the SX50 as an all-around solution.
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Regarding your question - - download the Adobe Camera Raw plug in - that will enable RAW editing in PS and PSE. Otherwise you will have to use Canon DPP to manipulate your RAW files. I always try to capture RAW when shooting single images - - recomposing and adding Fill Light can really help bring out the details.

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Nov 9, 2013 19:42:23   #
RDH
 
Wall-E wrote:
DNG is an open sourced specification.

There are even some cameras that now have DNG as their native RAW format.


Most of the XS family can save in dng if CHDK has been installed. You might also wish to look into Light Room, it will open, process and convert most Raw formats before exporting to CC or Gimp. Another possibility is Rawtheropy a Lightroom look alike.

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