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Nov 9, 2013 10:24:09   #
smcaleer Loc: Dearborn Heights, Michigan
 
Graham Smith wrote:
Some said that they would like to see this in monochrome. Don't say that I'm not obliging ;-)
I've used a slight copper tone on this and, against my better judgement, toned down the bag ;-)

Graham


I'm a big fan of yours and of monochrome, however, in this case I like the original shot in color the most.

In monochrome, the bag doesn't stand out and I think it's important that it stands out. I like the yellow. I agree he looks resigned or beaten by life. I look and I see a lonely man with a kind face who is tired and has nowhere to rest but a hard, cold bench. He sits with all he owns (or cans he's collected) smoking a cigarette he found or bummed off someone, alone.

I like the detail better in the color version as well. I do love the rich tones in the monochrome. The story it tells is the same, but the color version says it stronger, IMHO.

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Nov 9, 2013 10:32:33   #
Heirloom Tomato Loc: Oregon
 
smcaleer wrote:
I'm a big fan of yours and of monochrome, however, in this case I like the original shot in color the most.

In monochrome, the bag doesn't stand out and I think it's important that it stands out. I like the yellow. I agree he looks resigned or beaten by life. I look and I see a lonely man with a kind face who is tired and has nowhere to rest but a hard, cold bench. He sits with all he owns (or cans he's collected) smoking a cigarette he found or bummed off someone, alone.

I like the detail better in the color version as well. I do love the rich tones in the monochrome. The story it tells is the same, but the color version says it stronger, IMHO.
I'm a big fan of yours and of monochrome, however,... (show quote)


:thumbup: :thumbup:

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Nov 9, 2013 10:40:36   #
Chuck_893 Loc: Lincoln, Nebraska, USA
 
Graham Smith wrote:
Thank you Chuck,

<snipped all of the stuff that is making me squirm> :-)

Yup, shut up. Soon you will have me thinking that I'm a real photographer, I never want that to happen. I might just start to take myself seriously and that goes against my whole ethos :-)

Back in 2008, when I first thought that street photography might be for me, I did struggle to get the confidence to point the camera directly at a person but I soon overcame that. In very few of my pictures is the subject aware of the camera, this is very deliberate on my part. I want the subject to be interacting with their environment, their thoughts, not with me or my camera. People fascinate me.

Graham
Thank you Chuck, br br <snipped all of the stu... (show quote)

I absolutely do not mean to make you squirm! On the other hand I think you are absolutely a real photographer, whatever that is (know it when I see it &c). You have "the eye." You know, especially in street photography, how to take what you see and run it through that clumsy-in-the-way box thing and make it come out as you saw it, and that to me is certainly one definition of a "real photographer." I've seen folks on the Hog take issue with the differences between "amateur" and "professional," and that tends to another "angels-head-of-a-pin" thing (I feel that you may call yourself a "professional" if the bulk of your income is derived from the sale of your pictures), but "amateur" comes from the Latin root "love" and yada yada, so what the ultimate difference is, I think, whether you can translate what you see into a picture that shows others what you saw, and makes them want to linger and study.

The reason I joined The Hog was that, after lurking for a few weeks and studying the digests, I perceived that this was a hugely diverse community of people with a common interest, but in all stages of development (no pun intended), from utter "newbie" (a term I dislike) to grizzled pro, and every possible thing in between. When I was in school we were urged—URGED—to spend as much time as possible looking at as many already-accepted-as-museum-quality pictures of all kinds as possible: paintings, photographs, whatever, and do what this spinoff section is doing: critique. Answer the basic questions: if it's good, why? Do you like it or not? Why?

So, not to make you fidget, if I were still teaching a class I would tell my students to Study Graham Smith's Street Stuff! Look how he prints (yeah, I know, but these look like prints). Look at his subject placement. Look what he includes. Wonder what he didn't. If you want to do street photography, Graham Smith is one of the masters you want to emulate until you find your own style.

That's what I'd tell 'em, but I still wouldn't do it myself. I prefer to shoot stuff I'm pretty sure won't shoot back. :-D

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Nov 9, 2013 10:57:25   #
Graham Smith Loc: Cambridgeshire UK
 
Chuck_893 wrote:


<snipped>

That's what I'd tell 'em, but I still wouldn't do it myself. I prefer to shoot stuff I'm pretty sure won't shoot back. :-D


I don't have to worry about them shooting back...oh! I see, you mean with cameras :-)

Graham

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Nov 9, 2013 11:51:07   #
nairiam Loc: Bonnie Scotland
 
Graham Smith wrote:
Some said that they would like to see this in monochrome. Don't say that I'm not obliging ;-)
I've used a slight copper tone on this and, against my better judgement, toned down the bag ;-)

Graham


My score :--

Critique : 0
Admiration: Max

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Nov 9, 2013 12:49:28   #
wthomson Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
Superb shot! Like it much more than the previous version, since there is a clear focus and no distraction.

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Nov 9, 2013 19:33:42   #
alycrom Loc: Aberdeen Scotland
 
After reading the posts above i went and had a peek at the original, i agree that it looks better with no colour however something else has melted with it. The bag is from Marks and Spencer foodhall which is known to be quite an expensive place to shop which is in direct comparison with the gentleman in the the image. Also he has his tin of extra strong lager at his side (he did not by that in M & S) which i did not notice at all in this image. So i guess it depends which side of the Atlantic you live as these things will probably mean nothing to non Brits

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Nov 9, 2013 20:43:42   #
Country's Mama Loc: Michigan
 
Oh Graham! I really like this. The monochrome makes it feel even more "gritty", for lack of a better word. Or maybe it is the feeling of cold lonesomeness. I really like the monochrome.

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Nov 9, 2013 20:46:35   #
Country's Mama Loc: Michigan
 
Another question. When you say you used a slight coppertone on this what were you referring to. Is Coppertone a procedure or a color? Blend?

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Nov 10, 2013 04:29:43   #
Graham Smith Loc: Cambridgeshire UK
 
alycrom wrote:
After reading the posts above i went and had a peek at the original, i agree that it looks better with no colour however something else has melted with it. The bag is from Marks and Spencer foodhall which is known to be quite an expensive place to shop which is in direct comparison with the gentleman in the the image. Also he has his tin of extra strong lager at his side (he did not by that in M & S) which i did not notice at all in this image. So i guess it depends which side of the Atlantic you live as these things will probably mean nothing to non Brits
After reading the posts above i went and had a pee... (show quote)


Hello alycrom, perhaps he got the M&S bag from a bin? And a drinker will always find money for booze.

Thanks, Graham

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Nov 10, 2013 04:39:20   #
Graham Smith Loc: Cambridgeshire UK
 
Country's Mama wrote:
Another question. When you say you used a slight coppertone on this what were you referring to. Is Coppertone a procedure or a color? Blend?


Here is an explanation, Country's Mama:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photographic_print_toning

Graham

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Nov 10, 2013 12:46:58   #
carlysue Loc: Columbus
 
I've been thinking on this off and on all weekend, Graham. I think that altho' the monochrome is excellent in every way, it could be a gentleman who stopped on the way home from the grocery store for a final draw on the cig since his wife won't let him smoke in the house. The yellow bag in the original image says, these are all my worldly possessions and I must keep them close. Maybe if I hadn't seen it first my take would have been different.

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Nov 10, 2013 12:54:56   #
Graham Smith Loc: Cambridgeshire UK
 
carlysue wrote:
I've been thinking on this off and on all weekend, Graham. I think that altho' the monochrome is excellent in every way, it could be a gentleman who stopped on the way home from the grocery store for a final draw on the cig since his wife won't let him smoke in the house. The yellow bag in the original image says, these are all my worldly possessions and I must keep them close. Maybe if I hadn't seen it first my take would have been different.


Thanks carlysue, I too think that the colour image is the better of the two. I posted the monochrome as some folks said that they thought it would be better that way. I always knew, despite my love for monochrome, which I preferred.

Graham

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