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Dec 13, 2011 21:13:23   #
saside Loc: live in pueblo co
 
I answer an ad asking for a 2nd shooter with a canon. I ask him is a nikon d3100 ok? He replys back, Sorry I need a canon to match color. I sent him this reply. " There is a way to match colors, with the color space the pictures are saved in. ie adobe RGB or sRGB Also custom white balance and post processing white balance / color adjust. Good luck on the shoot.

I know it was a short reply, but am I wrong? Is there something I don't know about?

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Dec 13, 2011 21:18:41   #
snowbear
 
I think you are correct, unless the sensors record colors differently (like film can).

Then again, maybe he meant the lenses - Nikons black vs. Canon's white.

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Dec 13, 2011 21:30:34   #
saside Loc: live in pueblo co
 
snowbear wrote:
I think you are correct, unless the sensors record colors differently (like film can).

Then again, maybe he meant the lenses - Nikons black vs. Canon's white.


I laughed at the lens comment for a second till I realized there's got to be some people who think that way.

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Dec 13, 2011 21:41:59   #
martinfisherphoto Loc: Lake Placid Florida
 
In my Nikon I can set my color towards vivid, white balance Auto, plus two notches toward amber ect.. Maybe he wants to help program your camera, with the same settings as his, and have the photo colors come out the same. This way he could use your photos with his and the client would not know the difference.

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Dec 13, 2011 21:50:35   #
CaptainC Loc: Colorado, south of Denver
 
Well, there is a slight difference. Canon lenses tend a bit toward the warmer and Nikon tend toward a somewhat cooler image. Neither is "correct." Shooting in the same color space or converting to it will not fix this. On the other hand, the difference is not huge and if I were to hire a second shooter, I would be far more concerned with his or her skill level, personality, and work ethic, than what camera system was in use. Small color differences is a temporary issue - but incompetence or a jerk can sure mess up a client.

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Dec 13, 2011 22:31:51   #
snowbear
 
Thank you, Captain.

So there is a difference in the way the sensors record. I thought the ration of blue : red : green pixels was standard. Does this differ or is the interpolation algorithm, or something I'm not thinking of (in normal setting)?

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Dec 13, 2011 22:37:50   #
CaptainC Loc: Colorado, south of Denver
 
snowbear wrote:
Thank you, Captain.

So there is a difference in the way the sensors record. I thought the ration of blue : red : green pixels was standard. Does this differ or is the interpolation algorithm, or something I'm not thinking of (in normal setting)?


It can be the sensor, but lenses also have a color. Think of it this way: If you put a color filter in front of the lens, the image would have that color tint. So if a lens is warm or cool, the image will have that color bias. The ratio of RGB photosites has nothing to do with it.

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Dec 14, 2011 10:35:50   #
GW Loc: Idaho
 
Pardon my intustion,but Im a retired camera tech, I can tell you there is a diffinet coating difference between Canon an Nikon. It not so much the average person would notice, but then who here is average? (Canon is the warmer one)

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Dec 14, 2011 10:58:03   #
OldRelayer
 
The problem I have is the color I see on my computer screen which seems closer to real to me is always different when printed. Its not a terrible problem but who doesn't want their pictures to look as nice as possible.

The camera is a Minolta 800si and the printer is a Epson photo printer, I forget the model and I am not near it at the moment.

Epson is a nice photo printer it is all I have ever used, I looked at a lot of them but I always come back to Epson.

It appears the Kodak is going out of business, what a shame. That means that Fuji will be your only choice in film. I don't know how others feel but to me Kodak has richer color that Fuji but Fuji sell a whole lot of film so a lot of people much like it. It won't be long until I will have to buy a digital camera because you won't be able to buy film.

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Dec 14, 2011 12:06:56   #
saside Loc: live in pueblo co
 
I assumed there were differences with color but not enough of a deal unless your looking for exactness. Thats why I thought PP or custom white balance would make the differences not noticeable to the average joe.

OldRelayer you might want to calibrate you monitor. If it's off every thing you do or see will be off. Then calibrate your printer. Also realize that not all inks and paper are equal.

CaptinC I agree with your statement about the quality of the person comes first.

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Dec 14, 2011 12:07:26   #
silver Loc: Santa Monica Ca.
 
saside wrote:
I answer an ad asking for a 2nd shooter with a canon. I ask him is a nikon d3100 ok? He replys back, Sorry I need a canon to match color. I sent him this reply. " There is a way to match colors, with the color space the pictures are saved in. ie adobe RGB or sRGB Also custom white balance and post processing white balance / color adjust. Good luck on the shoot.

I know it was a short reply, but am I wrong? Is there something I don't know about?


Nobody can tell from looking at a print which camera was used. This is a really silly idea.

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Dec 14, 2011 14:22:47   #
snowbear
 
Captain & GW - Thank you. Something else to keep in mind.

Silver - That may be, but if there's enough of a difference between any two camera/lens combinations to be noticeable in the final product, that could be a problem.

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Dec 14, 2011 16:18:52   #
OldRelayer
 
Get a Cannon name plate and put it on the camera, he won't know the difference.

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Dec 14, 2011 17:12:05   #
Mickey88 Loc: Central Florida
 
I have read on more than one occassion that 2 identical make and model cameras, can produce different color cast photos. so color correction could be neccessary no matter what

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Dec 14, 2011 17:44:44   #
silver Loc: Santa Monica Ca.
 
snowbear wrote:
Captain & GW - Thank you. Something else to keep in mind.

Silver - That may be, but if there's enough of a difference between any two camera/lens combinations to be noticeable in the final product, that could be a problem.


I reiterate, nobody can tell which camera system a photograph was taken with. Im willing to bet if you have side by side prints from two different camera systems you also cant tell which is which. Personally I couldnt care less, if Im happy with the results thats all I care about. Most cameras today are really good it all boils down to personal choice. There are always some folks out there who will swear that there camera is the best, Its just silly.

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