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Oct 26, 2013 06:53:49   #
Peekayoh Loc: UK
 
bugguy wrote:
Thanks everyone for the useful informatiom. Now please explain more about the camera sync speed and if you know what it is for the Sony A77.
Your highest normal sync speed with the a77 is indeed 1/250th which is a crucial bit of information you really should know, but just to complicate things, the 58AM supports HSS mode and will in fact operate up to the highest shutter speed of 1/8000th.
bugguy wrote:
Do I set my ISO the same as I would if flash was not used? For instance when I shoot basketball indoors, (no flash) with this camera I set the ISO to 1600, using a 50mm 1.4 prime. If I was going to add flash would I keep the ISO at 1600?
Probably not, my preference with the a77 is to stick to iso800 or below if at all possible which should not be a problem seeing as you're introducing flash into the equation, if allowed that is. Think about using ADI mode (I'm assuming direct flash here) with your 'D' type lens and use the slow sync button to allow some ambient exposure and choosing rear curtain sync will keep your subject sharp

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Oct 26, 2013 07:31:30   #
cthahn
 
bugguy wrote:
I have the Sony A77 with the hvl58 flash gun. Recently I've read statements on the hog and elsewhere that leads me to wonder if using shutter priority is better then aperture priority when using flash indoors and with low light situations. Also would a slower shutter speed (60) as opposed to (90) work better with a 24-70mm 2.8 lens? Thanks in advance for the reply


You need to understand more about flash photography. When using a flash, speed is developed from the flash, not the shutter. The flash speed on high power is probably about 1/1000 sec., and upwards as you reduce power. You do not want to use a low shutter speed unless you want some special effects. The shutter and flash must be synchronized. You need to take your camera and flash and practice taking pictures. Read articles on flash photography.

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Oct 26, 2013 07:50:46   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
bugguy wrote:
Thanks everyone for the useful informatiom. Now please explain more about the camera sync speed and if you know what it is for the Sony A77. Do I set my ISO the same as I would if flash was not used? For instance when I shoot basketball indoors, (no flash) with this camera I set the ISO to 1600, using a 50mm 1.4 prime. If I was going to add flash would I keep the ISO at 1600?

Experimenting ahead of time in similar light would be a good idea.

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Oct 26, 2013 08:18:44   #
JBTaylor Loc: In hiding again
 
Wabbit wrote:
Incorrect Doc ..... It's not a burst of light ..... the light turns on, your camera sets the exposure and takes the picture, then the light goes out ..... it happens so quickly that to the human eye it appears to be a flash of light ..... that's why accurate sync speed is important .....


No, that is not how it works. You seem to be referring to E-TTL but that does involve a burst of light. Two of them. The first is a weaker burst for the metering system to evaluate how much power is going to be needed. Then, the shutter opens, the flash lights, and the shutter closes. That is if you aren't using high speed sync.

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Oct 26, 2013 08:41:26   #
Wabbit Loc: Arizona Desert
 
JBTaylor wrote:
No, that is not how it works. You seem to be referring to E-TTL but that does involve a burst of light. Two of them. The first is a weaker burst for the metering system to evaluate how much power is going to be needed. Then, the shutter opens, the flash lights, and the shutter closes. That is if you aren't using high speed sync.


Incorrect Doc ..... what I describe is the elementary basics of flash photography ..... thru the lens metering has nothing to do with it

It easier to learn the basics if you understand the principles behind the function .....

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Oct 26, 2013 09:04:13   #
NikonKnight Loc: Owings Mills, MD
 
Wall-E wrote:
Depends on what you're trying to accomplish.
Are you just adding a little fill to add some snap to your pics?
Or are you trying to add light to an otherwise un-photographable situation?

Exposure is a balancing act between the ISO (sensitivity), the shutter speed, and the aperture. For any given light situation, changing one of them requires changing at least one of the others to regain that balance. And adding flash changes the light, so that has to be considered.

BTW, you'll probably get booted out if you use a flash during a basketball game.
Depends on what you're trying to accomplish. br Ar... (show quote)


Since the original post mentioned that TTL flash was being used, the flash exposure follows the ISO and aperture settings automatically. Thus it wouldn't necessarily change the light. It would provide enough light to properly expose the subject for the given ISO and aperture, wouldn't it?

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Oct 26, 2013 09:04:41   #
JBTaylor Loc: In hiding again
 
bugguy wrote:
I have the Sony A77 with the hvl58 flash gun. Recently I've read statements on the hog and elsewhere that leads me to wonder if using shutter priority is better then aperture priority when using flash indoors and with low light situations. Also would a slower shutter speed (60) as opposed to (90) work better with a 24-70mm 2.8 lens? Thanks in advance for the reply


It really depends on what you are trying to accomplish. I generally use aperture priority but my a77 seems to pick 1/60 for shutter speed but the camera is capable 1/250 before resorting to HSS. If I flip to shutter priority, the aperture defaults to wide open. That leads me to manual where I can control the depth of field that I want and have control over the ratio of ambient light to flash.

It could be that 1/60 is judged to be a common balance between letting some ambient in and still freezing the action in most situations.

I may slow the shutter down to catch more ambient to show the environment or I may set it to 1/250 if ambient is strong enough to provide ghosting and motion blur at 1/60 when the subject is kids flying through the air.

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Oct 26, 2013 09:25:58   #
Wabbit Loc: Arizona Desert
 
NikonKnight wrote:
Since the original post mentioned that TTL flash was being used, the flash exposure follows the ISO and aperture settings automatically. Thus it wouldn't necessarily change the light. It would provide enough light to properly expose the subject for the given ISO and aperture, wouldn't it?


Yes, it does Doc, but if your sync speed is lets say 1/250th the shutter you choose needs to be 1/250th or slower .....

Sync speed is the main reason I keep my D70s, it sync's all the way up to 1/8000th

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Oct 26, 2013 10:44:41   #
mrmal Loc: Saskatoon, Sask, Canada
 
rpavich wrote:
the sync speed is just the "maximum speed you can set for your shutter speed and get acceptable results" that's all.

You can set any shutter speed below that you like.

I'd recommend going to this site and going through the "Lighting 101" course.

It will be faster and easier than asking 1,000,000 questions here and getting 1,000,000 different and conflicting answers.

http://strobist.blogspot.com/2006/03/lighting-101.html


Went to this site - it is what I have been looking for. If it is all that the blogger says it is, I will be spending a lot of time there learning how to use my flash. Have a 430EX II Speedlite on a Canon 60D. Thanks for the tip.

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Oct 26, 2013 13:31:41   #
jimmya Loc: Phoenix
 
bugguy wrote:
I have the Sony A77 with the hvl58 flash gun. Recently I've read statements on the hog and elsewhere that leads me to wonder if using shutter priority is better then aperture priority when using flash indoors and with low light situations. Also would a slower shutter speed (60) as opposed to (90) work better with a 24-70mm 2.8 lens? Thanks in advance for the reply


I'm not a Sony guy but Canon but in flash work I'm normally on full manual and the settings (save for the difference in flash units, should be about the same).

I keep f/5.2, 1/200 and ISO 100 in my manual settings. When I walk into a flash situation I simply roll to manual, pop the on board and fire. It seems to work very well for me.

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Oct 26, 2013 14:46:41   #
SharpShooter Loc: NorCal
 
cthahn wrote:
You need to understand more about flash photography. When using a flash, speed is developed from the flash, not the shutter. The flash speed on high power is probably about 1/1000 sec., and upwards as you reduce power. You do not want to use a low shutter speed unless you want some special effects. The shutter and flash must be synchronized. You need to take your camera and flash and practice taking pictures. Read articles on flash photography.


ct, is this the NEW YOU ?
ct, hey, I like you already!

ct, don't bring that fat, old, curmudgeon woman back, your soooo much better this way!!! Good advice.
SS

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Oct 26, 2013 14:53:46   #
Wabbit Loc: Arizona Desert
 
SharpShooter wrote:
ct, is this the NEW YOU ?
ct, hey, I like you already!

ct, don't bring that fat, old, curmudgeon woman back, your soooo much better this way!!! Good advice.
SS


Yea Doc ..... and that's quite a feat cause you ain't exactly like a piece of cake to make happy .....

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Oct 26, 2013 15:46:22   #
SharpShooter Loc: NorCal
 
tonyt wrote:
But if you use Aperture Priority and your shutter speed goes to say 1/30 - you are in danger of blurred shots due to camera shake, especially if using zoom at say 150mm ? Stick to Shutter Priority or Manual, and adjust Power on flash or even ISO.


Bug, I don't know your equipment, so I'm not going to guess. It seems that Peek does know it, so lean on him for answers.
BUT, I want to give you a very brief overview, so you can understand what you are trying to do.
I will use Tony's example.
W/o flash, nobody would use 1/30th to shoot indoor b-ball.
But flash changes everything.
Imagine you take a shoot at 1/30 @ f1.4, it may even be overexposed w/o flash, not to mention camera shake and blurred motion.
But if you do the same at f22, the shot may actually come out completely black(underexposed), for lack of light, because of the small f22.
Now shot a b-ball shot using the same exposure. Still black and no players in the scene, Right?
Now take the same shot using flash on low power. If the player is close, the player will be illuminated, but the background still black. But the flash strobes at 1/10,000 sec. So no camera shake and no motion blur, and the player properly illuminated.
Add more flash power and more background starts to be illuminated. Untill you have what you want.
Make sense?
But, as you increase ambient light, the flash becomes less and less effective, untill it can no longer freeze the action because the ambient light is starting to override the light of the flash and the flash is only providing fill light and not the main light.
You will get what is called "dragging the shutter". The subject is properly illuminated, but there is also motion.

Of course you will not be at those settings.
But the flash only goes so far, so the SS will allow more background light(ambient) to enter your scene.
And the f-stop allows more light to hit the sensor for more, or less light.
All the while, the ISO is controlling the sensitivity and amount of noise.
Bug, I always start my ISO part of the exposure triangle at 100. I raise it only if I can't get what I want with ISO at 100. The lower the better.
If your flash DOES have HSS, that will be a game changer and be much more versatile. That also means you have a guide # close to 60, zoom and probably ettl.
If so, that's a great flash and you only need to Learn what works best for your application.
Bug, hope this helped. Good luck.
SS

PS, if you can't use a flash during a game, shoot the practice or inter-squad games.
I shot dance(no flash), and always better to shoot the dress rehearsals, since I can be on the stage and mingle with the dancers, as long as we don't run into each other. Everybody likes nice tight shots of themselves.
During a practice game, you could probably get onto the court, in the game.

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Oct 26, 2013 15:54:47   #
SharpShooter Loc: NorCal
 
Wabbit wrote:
Yea, you ain't exactly like a piece of cake to make happy .....


Wabbit, my wife tells me that an average of 27 times per day, but my girlfriend never says it. !!!!

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Oct 26, 2013 16:21:34   #
Thunder_o_b Loc: NE Ohio USA
 
Flash photography…..endless debate. The way I shoot.

Camera mode: Full manual

SS: The top range of the sinc.

F/stop: Depends on the DOF I am after.

ISO: I choose the ISO that will give me the look I am after. The higher the ISO the more the ambient light shows in the shot so you do not get that "flash" look.

Flash: Set to E-TTL auto. I adjust the output as needed.

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