DSLR = DX?
Oct 21, 2013 08:08:00 #
Did I miss something? Does DSLR now mean we're talking about a non-FX body? Does it also imply no in-body auto focus motor?
Please don't refer me to an international standards reference. I mean as the term as used on this site. How about as used in photo magazines?
For example, Time was when folks here claimed that if neither DX or FX was specified in a lens description, one could presume it was an FX lens. Not so here nor in other chat level sources. Trusting that assertion, I sold a Nikon 105 f/2.8 macro lens to a kind, gentle poster on this thread who discovered it would not autofocus on his/her D3200.
Is DSLR now suffering the same fuzzy-motos?
I'm 85 "and I just won't take it anymore!"
Please don't refer me to an international standards reference. I mean as the term as used on this site. How about as used in photo magazines?
For example, Time was when folks here claimed that if neither DX or FX was specified in a lens description, one could presume it was an FX lens. Not so here nor in other chat level sources. Trusting that assertion, I sold a Nikon 105 f/2.8 macro lens to a kind, gentle poster on this thread who discovered it would not autofocus on his/her D3200.
Is DSLR now suffering the same fuzzy-motos?
I'm 85 "and I just won't take it anymore!"
Oct 21, 2013 08:23:24 #
Patw28 wrote:
Did I miss something? Does DSLR now mean we're tal... (show quote)
Be it here or anywhere else, a DSLR is a DSLR whether it is FX or DX.
If I understand your question, the issue may be more about the type of camera and the lenses that will work with that particular model.
G or D AF lenses are not compatable with the 3200.
Oct 21, 2013 08:23:37 #
In my very humble opinion DSLR does NOT mean DX-SLR, nor does it mean FX-SLR, but with the introduction of FX bodies like the Nikon D800, FX is becoming relatively more affordable and therefore more common, and many hobbyists are still learning about the differences, and confusion and incorrect information abound by the trainload.
Hang in there, Pat, we're all on your side.
Hang in there, Pat, we're all on your side.
Oct 21, 2013 08:38:01 #
Patw28 wrote:
Did I miss something? Does DSLR now mean we're tal... (show quote)
Hey, don't give up. You will enjoy the next day, every time. Take your camera in hand and photograph something that's beautiful. I grew up near you. I now you can do it. Post some of those unique shots.
Oct 21, 2013 18:58:23 #
Ambrose wrote:
Be it here or anywhere else, a DSLR is a DSLR whether it is FX or DX.
If I understand your question, the issue may be more about the type of camera and the lenses that will work with that particular model.
G or D AF lenses are not compatable with the 3200.
If I understand your question, the issue may be more about the type of camera and the lenses that will work with that particular model.
G or D AF lenses are not compatable with the 3200.
Actually that's not quite true!
Pretty much all current AF-S lenses (with built in autofocus motor) are G (gelded) lenses. Those lenses will certainly work and autofocus on the D3XXX and D5XXX series cameras (like the D3200). Lenses with the G designation just don't have an aperture ring like most of the older AF and AF-D lenses.
AF and AF-D lenses are very similar.
Both have the aperture ring (unless the are G) and allow autofocus only with cameras with built-in (screw-type) focus motor (D90, D7XXX, D6XX, D7XX, D800, etc.). They are usually full-frame lenses which were originally designed for 35mm film cameras but will also work just fine on above mentioned DSLRS. They will provide aperture and focus information on D3XXX and 5XXX models but have to be manually focused.
AF-D lenses provide additional distance information to the camera which helps with obtaining the correct exposure when using fill flash.
Oct 21, 2013 20:01:45 #
Wabbit
Loc: Arizona Desert
Patw28 wrote:
Did I miss something? Does DSLR now mean we're tal... (show quote)
Hey Doc ..... DSLR stands for Digital Single Lens Reflex
FX designates Full Frame while DX designates a camera with a crop sensor (smaller than a full frame sensor)
Some Nikon DX models have a in body auto focus motor but some don't ..... the D3200 and D5200 do not while the D7000 and D7100 both contain in body auto focus motors .....
Oct 22, 2013 08:13:12 #
Ambrose wrote:
Be it here or anywhere else, a DSLR is a DSLR whether it is FX or DX.
:thumbup:
Oct 22, 2013 09:23:26 #
klaus wrote:
Actually that's not quite true! br br Pretty much... (show quote)
Klaus is spot on!!! :thumbup:
I regularly read articles that refer to APS-C cameras as DSLRs and FX is typically lumped with 35mm film (i.e. not referred to as DSLR).
However, as one poster pointed out, accurately I might add, DSLR indicates that it is a digital SLR. So, all one can do is be aware that in some instances, this is what it is.
Certainly confusing for the uninitiated.
Oct 22, 2013 09:49:39 #
brucewells wrote:
However, as one poster pointed out, accurately I might add, DSLR indicates that it is a digital SLR.
That's how Nikon designates them on their site - "Digital SLR Cameras."
Oct 22, 2013 14:23:50 #
Pentony
Loc: Earth Traveller
Patw28 wrote:
Trusting that assertion, I sold a Nikon 105 f/2.8 macro lens to a kind, gentle poster on this thread who discovered it would not autofocus on his/her D3200.
No you did not do anything wrong. It was up to the buyer to enlighten himself.
DSLR does not equal DX.
DSLR means a Digital Single Lens Reflex camera, either a DX or a FX camera. Sometimes FX is referred as FF for full frame.
DX refers to a DSLR camera which has a cropped sensor.
FX refers to a DSLR camera which has a full frame sensor which is equivalent to the film size used in a SLR (single lens reflex) camera.
The d3200 does not have a built-in auto focusing motor. Therefore the buyer should have purchased a lens which had a auto focusing motor inside it. That was his responsibility.
However, you were supposed to give the buyer or the designations on the lens. If you did not do that, then I would offer him a refund upon the return of the lens.
The buyer is to return the lens to you with shipping fees and insured paid by the buyer. If the lens is returned in the same condition which you sent it, then give him a refund for the lens paid, not a refund on the shipping and insurance fees.
This is a case of "Buyer Beware."
Oct 22, 2013 15:22:59 #
Pentony wrote:
No you did not do anything wrong. It was up to th... (show quote)
+1
All the DSLR's Nikon considers 'consumer level' are missing the in-body focus motor. Here's a clip from their support posting about that.
"Consumer level Nikon digital SLR cameras are designed without built-in focus motors, which allow them to be smaller and lighter than the larger, more professional models. Consumer D-SLRs that do not incorporate a built-in focus motor (and therefore need to use AF-S lenses) include the following: D40, D40x, D60, D3000, D3100, D3200, D5000, D5100 and D5200. If you own one of these cameras, then you need to use an AF-S NIKKOR lens to get the full autofocus capabilities from the lens."
Oct 22, 2013 17:07:51 #
Pentony
Loc: Earth Traveller
Wall-E wrote:
+1 br br All the DSLR's Nikon considers 'consumer... (show quote)
A ah ha moment. I have the d90 and the d3100.
I purchased the d3100 because initially I found the d90 too heavy. It has that focusing motor in its body. Since acclimating, learning digital photography, with the d3100, I'm now also using the d90. The d3100 conditioned me to using the heavier d90.
It was like lifting weights. I had to build my muscles up to handling the d90. If I see a good deal on a lens without a focusing motor I can consider buying it.
Thanks to your response I've learned that there is a different level within consumer Nikon DX's. Thanks again!
Guess what? My prime lens is on the d90 and one of my zoom lens is on the d3100. The d3100 is more used in the field. Whereas the heavier d90 is more used inside. However, their usage is interchangeable and I travel with the both of them.
I wonder why Nikon did not put a focusing motor in the new d5300?
Oct 22, 2013 17:17:41 #
Pentony wrote:
A ah ha moment. I have the d90 and the d3100. br ... (show quote)
The D5xxx series is a 'consumer level' series according to Nikon.
You want a focus motor? Buy a D7xxx. Or one of the 1 or 3 digit bodies.
Oct 22, 2013 17:18:41 #
Wabbit
Loc: Arizona Desert
Pentony wrote:
A ah ha moment. I have the d90 and the d3100. br ... (show quote)
Ya not paying attention Doc ..... Nikon's keeping the body of the D5300 small ..... there's no room for a focus motor without making the camera body bigger .....
Oct 22, 2013 20:55:44 #
Patw28 wrote:
Did I miss something? Does DSLR now mean we're tal... (show quote)
DSLR = Digital Single Lens Reflex.
The ONLY thing that means is that the focus system of the camera uses a reflex or moving mirror that flips up out of the way upon focus and shutter release.
DSLR Means NOTHING more than that. No other function of digital cameras relates to the term DSLR.... it is the same as the generation of camera's that used a moving mirror in the focus system that evolved in the Sixties, called SLR, which replaced range finder and other focus sytems.
There are simple view finder camera's, Leica still uses a rangefinder system in their $9000 M9 digital, there are mirrorless camera's that use EVF focus, and there are still people shooting film using ground glass focusing.
Then there are DSLR's.... Digital Single Lens Reflex cameras that ONLY mean there is a moving mirror functioning in the focus system, flipping out of the way so the light hits the sensor when the shutter is open.
It is NO MORE complicated than that!!
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