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According to the AP President Obama's approval ratings are getting near Bush's lowest point!
Oct 9, 2013 20:37:48   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
Buried in the AP article.....

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Most Americans disapprove of the way Obama is handling his job, the poll suggests, with 53 percent unhappy with his performance and 37 percent approving of it.



Hmmmmm they did not say president Obama, AP must be racist.

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Oct 9, 2013 20:52:07   #
Dave Johnson Loc: Grand Rapids, Michigan
 
Of course the approval rating for congress is Much lower than Obama's. :)

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Oct 9, 2013 21:22:46   #
ace-mt Loc: Montana
 
I remember when Bush's ratings fell to this level, it was the lead story in every hourly news break, and there were many news stories about it. Most of the reporters and anchors seemed so happy to report this story, that I wondered if their pants were dry. I wonder how the story of Obama's falling ratings will be handled.

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Oct 9, 2013 21:25:15   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
Dave Johnson wrote:
Of course the approval rating for congress is Much lower than Obama's. :)


Yes, as a matter of fact it is... but it is nice to see him pay the price for his most recent political game of "punish the American citizen" because he is in a fight with the republican's in congress. His fight with congress has little to do with the average citizen which he is exacting his petulant revenge on... or to be more exact pressuring by excluding us from our public lands because of this fight. He is spending more money in keeping us out of these open air areas, oceans, mountain overlooks, than we spend to maintain them while they are opened... But what I think really took that cake was opening up the national mall to illegals while kicking Americans out of the War memorials, and then letting Hagel not pay the families of those who gave their lives in a war over which he is the commander and cheif... The administration was forewarned on Oct 1 that this was going to be an issue and did not adequately resolve it... It fell under his pain campaign and nobody was paying attention.

Sorry, I know that you are a reasonable guy and look forward to reasoned discourse.... But the president is an asshole, there is little more that I could say about him, in terms of how he has handled his job since being in office I would be even less enthusiastic.

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Oct 9, 2013 21:34:08   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
ace-mt wrote:
I remember when Bush's ratings fell to this level, it was the lead story in every hourly news break, and there were many news stories about it. Most of the reporters and anchors seemed so happy to report this story, that I wondered if their pants were dry. I wonder how the story of Obama's falling ratings will be handled.


They won't be, maybe mentioned but the big story in the MSM will be the congressional approval ratings and of course it will be blamed on republican obstructionism.

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Oct 9, 2013 21:42:09   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
Dave Johnson wrote:
Of course the approval rating for congress is Much lower than Obama's. :)


Dave I am a fiscal conservative and the president in my mind has made all the wrong moves in as far as restoration of our economy goes, my opposition to this president is strictly based on principles and our differing ideas as to what is good for this country and what is bad for this country, or so I thought until I just came across this quote of Barack Obama's from 2006....

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Obama Said “Interest Payments Are A Significant Tax On All Americans—A Debt Tax That Washington Doesn’t Want To Talk About.” SEN. BARACK OBAMA: “And the cost of our debt is one of the fastest growing expenses in the Federal budget. This rising debt is a hidden domestic enemy, robbing our cities and States of critical investments in infrastructure like bridges, ports, and levees; robbing our families and our children of critical investments in education and health care reform; robbing our seniors of the retirement and health security they have counted on. Every dollar we pay in interest is a dollar that is not going to investment in America’s priorities. Instead, interest payments are a significant tax on all Americans—a debt tax that Washington doesn’t want to talk about. If Washington were serious about honest tax relief in this country, we would see an effort to reduce our national debt by returning to responsible fiscal policies.” (Sen. Barack Obama, Congressional Record, 3/16/06, p. S2237)
Obama Said “Interest Payments Are A Significant Ta... (show quote)



It seems that he understands as clearly as I do the threat of the national debt to the future of this country....

So Dave.... having read his statement can you explain the course his administration has taken and his current stance that our debt is nothing that we should be worried about, when he made this speech on the Senate floor our debt was somewhere around $7 trillion now it is $17 trillion, so how does he explain what he is now doing to this country?

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Oct 9, 2013 22:24:45   #
OnTheFly Loc: Tennessee
 
Yes, I think he understands.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydZTHPkOnvE
Blurryeyed wrote:
It seems that he understands as clearly as I do the threat of the national debt to the future of this country....

So Dave.... having read his statement can you explain the course his administration has taken and his current stance that our debt is nothing that we should be worried about, when he made this speech on the Senate floor our debt was somewhere around $7 trillion now it is $17 trillion, so how does he explain what he is now doing to this country?

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Oct 9, 2013 22:39:35   #
Dave Johnson Loc: Grand Rapids, Michigan
 
Hey Blurryeyed, I'm sure that Obama is not the first politician to say something that he later regrets. There are numerous examples on both sides of the isle and I can't account for the national debt any more than you can but I do know that congress holds the purse strings to the government. While I agree that we need to balance the budget I don't know how to do it. Do we raise taxes? I doubt well get any support for that at this forum. Do we cut tuition assistance for young people? Do we cut food stamps for poor families? How about cutting social security payments. Please understand, I'm not trying to be a smart ass just showing the other side.

By the way we've spoken before and I have to say I do enjoy talking with you. We do see things differently but that's ok as long as we use well reasoned arguments. I hate the sound bite banter that seems so prevalent on this site. May I ask your name?

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Oct 9, 2013 23:02:23   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
Dave Johnson wrote:
Hey Blurryeyed, I'm sure that Obama is not the first politician to say something that he later regrets. There are numerous examples on both sides of the isle and I can't account for the national debt any more than you can but I do know that congress holds the purse strings to the government. While I agree that we need to balance the budget I don't know how to do it. Do we raise taxes? I doubt well get any support for that at this forum. Do we cut tuition assistance for young people? Do we cut food stamps for poor families? How about cutting social security payments. Please understand, I'm not trying to be a smart ass just showing the other side.

By the way we've spoken before and I have to say I do enjoy talking with you. We do see things differently but that's ok as long as we use well reasoned arguments. I hate the sound bite banter that seems so prevalent on this site. May I ask your name?
Hey Blurryeyed, I'm sure that Obama is not the fir... (show quote)


My name is Geff, it is at the bottom of my posts along with links to my photo pages. I have studied the federal budgets at some length and a balanced budget would be difficult and somewhat painful but very much doable. The first thing that has to be done is fiduciary responsibility restored to our government. As long as they think that they can borrow or print money with no real accountability from the American people this will never happen, but fully over 10% of the federal budget goes to graft, corruption, and fraud and they are not working hard enough to stop this. Secondly they have to take responsibility for fidelity to the tax payers, I posted an article last night about the state department purchasing 12,000 wine glasses for their embassies at a price of $415 per each wine glass. Let me ask you Dave, do you pay taxes? And if so do you have a set of $415 wine glasses in your home? Why does the government think nothing of taking money from your family to pay for such exuberance? This is just one example of thousands that are out there. As our government spends this country into certain bankruptcy there is absolutely no respect for the taxpayer....

Why is there no effort in the government to cut waste, when was the last time that you saw the president give more than simple lip service to cutting back on duplication of services etc.... Simpson Bowles was a start, why did the president let that die on the vine? Even if the super committee failed during their negotiations, how come the grand bargain centered on the Simpson Bowles report was not presued further? We need to rid ourselves of our odorous tax code and replace it will something far more simple and fair, every American should be able to sit down at their dining room table and compute and pay their taxes in one evening, we should not have to hire accountants, lawyers, and tax professionals simply to pay our taxes due to the government. Do you realize that our tax code is some 80,000 pages and no one person alive truly understands all there is to understand about it. It is wrong and unjust. Or income tax code could be written simply and effectively on a couple of sheets of paper, but that would take power and funding away from our politicians and they are not about to stand for that anymore than they would tolerate term limits...

There are fixes to our society, however few politicians are interested in solutions.

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Oct 9, 2013 23:29:00   #
Dave Johnson Loc: Grand Rapids, Michigan
 
Loved that "Septic" photo :). I haven't thought about it before but I think I'll include my website at the bottom of my posts.

Everyone talks about government waste. You mentioned ten percent. I don't know about that figure, it could be true, and certainly no one wants waste but this has been going on for a while now. I remember when Reagan, who by the way was one of the best presidents in recent history, was being accused of spending us into oblivion. Then George H.W. got us into the first gulf war and Somalia, spending more than Reagan. Clinton had the most prosperous presidency in a while but that probably had more to do with riding an economic wave than actual legislative prowess. Then comes "W" and he outspent his predecessors. All of this is just a long way of saying I don't think Obama is the Anti-Christ.

I agree we should work on balancing the budget but if the last four (plus) presidents couldn't accomplish that task in a sustainable way it must not be an easy thing to do.

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Oct 9, 2013 23:45:47   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
Dave Johnson wrote:
Loved that "Septic" photo :). I haven't thought about it before but I think I'll include my website at the bottom of my posts.

Everyone talks about government waste. You mentioned ten percent. I don't know about that figure, it could be true, and certainly no one wants waste but this has been going on for a while now. I remember when Reagan, who by the way was one of the best presidents in recent history, was being accused of spending us into oblivion. Then George H.W. got us into the first gulf war and Somalia, spending more than Reagan. Clinton had the most prosperous presidency in a while but that probably had more to do with riding an economic wave than actual legislative prowess. Then comes "W" and he outspent his predecessors. All of this is just a long way of saying I don't think Obama is the Anti-Christ.

I agree we should work on balancing the budget but if the last four (plus) presidents couldn't accomplish that task in a sustainable way it must not be an easy thing to do.
Loved that "Septic" photo :). I haven't ... (show quote)


The republican presidents certainly have their history with spending, if you follow the deficits until president Obama the republican presidents increased deficits more than did the democrats from the 70's forward, I think much of that had to do with which parties controlled congress, it seems that a democratic congress is much more fiscally conservative when there is a republican president in office, the same goes for republicans, but the current big spenders of this congress blasted the Bush administration on deficits, Obama was not the only one who had something to say, Reid, Kerry, all of them gave there long self righteous speeches on how we were spending our children's future, how their song has changed.... but regardless, until DC goes to work on fiscal responsibility toward the taxpayers, then why in the world should we give them more money. If they don't care for and respect their ongoing concerns, then why should we be willing to fund more?

And as far as education and all the democratic priorities, that too is poppy cock, we already pay more per pupil than any other country in the world on education, without true reform, what good would more money do? HHS released a study in I believe it was in 2012 which found that children enrolled in Head Start actually performed worse than their peers who did not participate by the fourth grade, and by HS they performed markedly worse.... All this noise that the president is making amounts to he just wants to make noise because the program was declared ineffective by his own HHS in a government study, not some right wing think tank. He just wants to give free daycare is what that amounts to...

If they are going to just keep doing the same why would we want to incur more debt for our children simply to feed the egos of politicians and the bank accounts of their connected allies? Without reform to existing programs the American people should stand and demand no new funding for new or expanded programs. At least that is my opinion.

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Oct 10, 2013 00:00:34   #
Dave Johnson Loc: Grand Rapids, Michigan
 
Well Bud, we'll have to solve the nations problems tomorrow. I'm going to wrap it up for tonight.

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Oct 10, 2013 02:44:41   #
magicray Loc: Tampa Bay, Florida
 
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Most Americans disapprove of the way Obama is handling his job, the poll suggests, with 53 percent unhappy with his performance and 37 percent approving of it.

Blurryeyed wrote:

Hmmmmm they did not say president Obama, AP must be racist.
Ha, ha, ha. All white folks are racists, you know that. The color of one's skin is important in today's society that's why I wish I was born an albino. Top of the pecking order.

I guess 10% didn't understand the question, but I hear there's been a run on tar and feathers.

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