Gitzo Loc: Indiana

Read what Senator Orin Hatch has to say about the shut down.

Then, be sure to read the comments below the article;

http://www.newsmax.com/NewsmaxTv/hatch-government-shutdown-blame/2013/10/01/id/528703?ns_mail_uid=62857135&ns_mail_job=1540078_10032013&promo_code=15105-1

Frank T Loc: New York, NY

Gitzo. I don't believe that's totally true but if it is, then you guys fell for it.
Same on you.

Danilo Loc: Las Vegas

In fairness, Gitzo, the Republicans were planning on blaming the Dems, but they're not nearly as good at getting their message out (lacking assistance from the media). So, if one party is above the other it's only by a narrow margin. We have to start facing the reality of a criminally guided government with little or no concern for the constituency. Obamacare is designed to extract money from those who have money, under penalty of imprisonment. Where is the freedom...the liberty, in that? Harry Reid is so adamant about the preservation of Obamacare, that, in itself, should tell us something. Reid has never cared about health care for the populace, never did in Nevada, never has in the U.S. Senate.
In sum: BOTH parties are equally to blame, BOTH parties are equally corrupt. BOTH parties must GO.

Gitzo Loc: Indiana

Danilo; It would take far more time (and space) than I have right now to effectively comment on everything you've just said, (and I DO agree with MUCH of it, but not all of it.)

As for Harry Reid; you're spot on! In fact, if there was ever an intensive investigation and close scrutiny of Harry Reid's personal financial "dealings" by an impartial entity, I seriously suspect that Harry Reid would end up in "the slammer". (which is precisely where I think he belongs. ) As for Senator Orin Hatch......let me just say, I "like" Orin Hatch a hell of a lot more than I do Harry Reid !

That leaves us with; "both sides are equally corrupt", and "should be done away with" ?

That may sound like a great idea to a LOT of people right now; I think it would also sound like a complete and total impossibility to most rational people who have any idea what it would entail in order to actually "accomplish" "doing away" with "both sides".

Assuming for 5 minutes that we now, "have done away with" both sides, where would that leave "us"?

I've heard many people call for just such a thing; I have yet to hear of any concrete (and remotely "workable" ) plan to accomplish "doing it". ( I would love to hear one or two )

Gitzo Loc: Indiana

Frank; Let me be very "blunt"; (as i'm a very blunt person)
I would consider the possibility of having a serious and intelligent conversation with a squirrel in my back yard to more likely than having one with you. In fact, Frank, you rather remind me of a squirrel; I can understand squirrels never saying anything intelligent, but then again, squirrels aren't supposed to be "all that" intelligent; unlike people, squirrels don't need "health care", and "retirement accounts", and even dialysis treatments.

People like you Frank, also remind me a lot of pigeons; just "congregating in large numbers, walking around, making silly sounds, never "working for a living", but ALWAYS looking for a "hand out" from people who feel sorry for them, and NEVER "adding anything positive" to the discussion, but ALWAYS attempting to say something "clever", (which ALWAYS comes out sounding STUPID!) Then there's that "other" habit of pigeons, all that "crap" they leave behind; yeah, you're really a lot like a pigeon Frank; maybe we should start referring to you as "Frank the Pigeon"? (or maybe "Pigeon Frank"?)