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Oct 3, 2013 12:44:10   #
Shutterbugsailer Loc: Staten Island NY (AKA Cincinnati by the Sea)
 
Sometimes last week, a Jewish person was subjected to a rude antisemitic comment when he walked int a Hobby Lobby store in Marlboro, New Jersey looking for a Menorah or Dreidl. The clerk responded by saying "We don't cater to your kind of people" Naturally, this customer walked out pissed off for good reason, vowing never to return. Ironically, Marlboro NJ is a town with a signifigant Jewish population, and as it turns out, Hobby Lobby is a chain of over 500 craft/hobby stores nationwide, run by a CEO, Mr. David Green who is a devout Christian who chooses not to sell items related to ANY other religion. So is Hobby Lobby an antisemitic business? Had he merely excluded items relating to Judiasm, the answer would have been a resounding yes. However, so along with Menorahs and Dreidels, you won't find Muslim prayer rugs, Buddhist statues, Hindu incense containers, or Satanic pentagrams. Although I've never been to one, based on Mr. Green's definition of Christianity, I probably would not find coloring books featuring Catholic Saints either. Were this a store catering specifically to certain religious beliefs, rather than a general craft/hobby shop, this incident probably would not have occured. No one with a triple digit IQ would go into a Christmas store looking for a Dreidel or a Halal butcher looking for a rack of pork ribs, unless they were looking to stir up trouble. When I went looking for a Saint Christopher medal for my boat, I knew enough not to go into a Judaica shop. So how should Hobby Lobby resolve this? Were they to deny, ignore, or justify that clerk's rude behavior, they would be as guilty of antisemitism as if they refused to sell to, hire, or buy from Jews. As to how they should handle that employee, were this not the first example of rudeness to customers, his arse should be out the door. If it was, in fact the first, he should be given a stern warning and transferred to a store in another neighborhood with few, if any, Jews. As part of continued employment, he ought to be reminded that Jesus was born and died a Jew and that the Last Supper, was in fact, a Jew.

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Oct 3, 2013 13:00:20   #
Lmarc Loc: Ojojona, Honduras
 
Shutterbugsailer wrote:
Sometimes last week, a Jewish person was subjected to a rude antisemitic comment when he walked int a Hobby Lobby store in Marlboro, New Jersey looking for a Menorah or Dreidl. The clerk responded by saying "We don't cater to your kind of people" Naturally, this customer walked out pissed off for good reason, vowing never to return. Ironically, Marlboro NJ is a town with a signifigant Jewish population, and as it turns out, Hobby Lobby is a chain of over 500 craft/hobby stores nationwide, run by a CEO, Mr. David Green who is a devout Christian who chooses not to sell items related to ANY other religion. So is Hobby Lobby an antisemitic business? Had he merely excluded items relating to Judiasm, the answer would have been a resounding yes. However, so along with Menorahs and Dreidels, you won't find Muslim prayer rugs, Buddhist statues, Hindu incense containers, or Satanic pentagrams. Although I've never been to one, based on Mr. Green's definition of Christianity, I probably would not find coloring books featuring Catholic Saints either. Were this a store catering specifically to certain religious beliefs, rather than a general craft/hobby shop, this incident probably would not have occured. No one with a triple digit IQ would go into a Christmas store looking for a Dreidel or a Halal butcher looking for a rack of pork ribs, unless they were looking to stir up trouble. When I went looking for a Saint Christopher medal for my boat, I knew enough not to go into a Judaica shop. So how should Hobby Lobby resolve this? Were they to deny, ignore, or justify that clerk's rude behavior, they would be as guilty of antisemitism as if they refused to sell to, hire, or buy from Jews. As to how they should handle that employee, were this not the first example of rudeness to customers, his arse should be out the door. If it was, in fact the first, he should be given a stern warning and transferred to a store in another neighborhood with few, if any, Jews. As part of continued employment, he ought to be reminded that Jesus was born and died a Jew and that the Last Supper, was in fact, a Jew.
Sometimes last week, a Jewish person was subjected... (show quote)


They are not anti-Semitic, but very conservative Christian. The clerk could have explained to the Jewish man that their company only deals in Christian items and does not have the things he is looking for. He certainly didn't have to say "...your kind of people". I believe any business has a right to deal in whatever niche merchandise they choose, but should train their employees to be more tactful to potential customers who may not be aware of this.

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Oct 3, 2013 16:31:44   #
DOOK Loc: Maclean, Australia
 
They may be very conservative Christians, but they are also intolerant bigots.

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Oct 3, 2013 17:35:41   #
Lmarc Loc: Ojojona, Honduras
 
DOOK wrote:
They may be very conservative Christians, but they are also intolerant bigots.


Well, possibly you are right, but we weren't there, and we don't even have a source for the story, only the OP's version. We don't know the conversation before the clerk's remark, nor do we know the tone of voice.

Any store or group dealing with a very narrow niche of religious or political ideas is going to seem bigoted to some, when it may not be true. A lot depends on the collective attitude of the group. We see that here on this forum every day. I think an Amish man would find more tolerance in a Wiccan store than vice versa.

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Oct 3, 2013 18:26:33   #
pbearperry Loc: Massachusetts
 
The word they is overused.I believe it is used to make the actions of one or two seem more serious?I wish they would cut it out.Oops.

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Oct 3, 2013 19:00:47   #
Lmarc Loc: Ojojona, Honduras
 
pbearperry wrote:
The word they is overused.I believe it is used to make the actions of one or two seem more serious?I wish they would cut it out.Oops.


How's this? And it was not meant as anything other than an example of lazy writing. :oops: And still a dangling preposition or two, but I'm too lazy to change anything else.



Hobby Lobby is not anti-Semitic, but very conservative Christian. The clerk could have explained to the Jewish man that his company only deals in Christian items and does not have the things he is looking for. He certainly didn't have to say "...your kind of people". I believe any business has a right to deal in whatever niche merchandise it chooses, but should train its employees to be more tactful to potential customers who may not be aware of this.

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Oct 3, 2013 19:05:36   #
pbearperry Loc: Massachusetts
 
The bottom line is that it's hard to get good help these days.

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Oct 3, 2013 19:20:35   #
Lmarc Loc: Ojojona, Honduras
 
pbearperry wrote:
The bottom line is that it's hard to get good help these days.


'Tis true! :thumbup:

But......with all this unemployment, I wonder why? :shock:

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Oct 3, 2013 19:27:51   #
handgunner Loc: Windsor Locks, Connecticut
 
One word could have settled this issue before it started:tact :|

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Oct 4, 2013 01:28:06   #
venturer9 Loc: Newton, Il.
 
I believe that this post should just ignored until some kind of proof is brought out.... already we have some anti Christian Crap... in other words, a "Supposed" occurrence, the no one knows whether or not is true, has opened up the flood gates of the crap spewing members of the forum.....

But then, what else have they to do except to look for some kind of excuse to show their BIGOTRY and IGNORANCE such as those expressed by DOOK

Get a life folk, EVERY SINGLE DAY we see on here proof that the internet is alive with false articles from the ignorant ranters of the left and the right.....

Mike

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Oct 4, 2013 01:41:15   #
Bangee5 Loc: Louisiana
 
http://www.newsmax.com/TheWire/hobby-lobby-anti-semitic-hannukah/2013/10/02/id/528992

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/02/hobby-lobby-jewish-boycott-steve-green_n_4032295.html

http://www.religionnews.com/2013/10/01/christian-owned-hobby-lobby-wont-stock-hanukkah-merchandise/

http://marlboro-coltsneck.patch.com/groups/business-news/p/hobby-lobby-investigating-employees-alleged-offensive-comments

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Oct 4, 2013 07:08:56   #
rayford2 Loc: New Bethlehem, PA
 
pbearperry wrote:
The bottom line is that it's hard to get good help these days.


Hard to find good managers too.

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Oct 4, 2013 07:40:08   #
norvik1943 Loc: Jenks, OK and Domazan, France
 
DOOK wrote:
They may be very conservative Christians, but they are also intolerant bigots.


:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

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Oct 4, 2013 07:49:36   #
wireman8 Loc: Toledo, Ohio
 
I also challenge you to find anything made in the US of A.

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Oct 4, 2013 09:12:39   #
Twardlow Loc: Arkansas
 
DOOK wrote:
They may be very conservative Christians, but they are also intolerant bigots.



Hear, hear.

That is no way for a christian to speak, even if they don't stock jewish items.

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