Gitzo Loc: Indiana

A man died, and went to heaven; when he arrived at the "Pearly Gates", he got to talking to St. Peter and was asking him what heaven was like.

St. Peter said, "come with me and I'll show you around"; St. Peter opened a door and they stepped into a HUGE room that had clocks, row after row after row...........millions and millions of clocks!

The guy was speechless, but he finally asked St. Peter, "I have never seen so many clocks in my whole life! What are they all for"?

St. Peter says, "these are our liars clocks; every person has a clock, and that clock keeps track of every lie they tell, throughout their lives".

He then points to a clock and both of it's hands were were pointing at zero; St. Peter told the man, "this in Mother Teresa's clock; she never told a lie in her whole life, as you can see by the clock"; Then St. Peter points to another clock and says,"this is Abraham Lincoln's clock; as you can see, the hand is pointing at 2; Abraham Lincoln only told two lies during his entire lifetime".

The man was very impressed, he thinks for a moment, then asks, "where is Obama's clock? I don't see a clock with Obama's name on it".

St. Peter tells the man, "Obama's clock is in God's office; it's been rather warm of late, and God is using Obama's clock as a ceiling fan".........

mugwhump Loc: San Diego CA

That say's it all :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

guts Loc: texas.

Yep.

LarryInSeattle Loc: Seattle, WA

A real whirlwind!

Dave Johnson Loc: Grand Rapids, Michigan

What Lies are you referring to?

Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.

This is just a small list, it is rare that the president gives an important speech that is not caulked full of lies.

http://www.politifact.com/personalities/barack-obama/statements/byruling/false/

Dave Johnson Loc: Grand Rapids, Michigan

Well, if you're going to count projections, estimates, or optimistic assumptions as statements upon which to hang truth or falsehood then you'll have to label all politicians (including the elephants), businessmen, and clergymen as liars and who knows, perhaps they are.

Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.

Yes, most politicians lie, but Obama does so on a regular basis and he does so with such hubris... Sorry, I would not compare Obama's lies with a set of business projections, this is the same man who said that Bush was unpatriotic when he raised the debt ceiling, this is the same man who says that he has cut deficits in half as if that is some sort of accomplishment, he does not talk about having run astronomical deficit spending so no matter that he has cut his own deficits in half they are still larger than any of his predecessors including GW's and GW did not manage the countries finances well... President Obama and the truth are strangers, the man just can't seem to help himself when he opens his mouth, his ego just can't get out of the way. Dem's love to point to the problems that Obama inherited, he has added 6 trillion dollars to the national debt with nothing to show for it, Bush also had his challenges, the whole security apparatus that Obama inherited that has kept this country safe was put in place by Bush at great financial costs... and his deficits were measly as compared to Obama's and what does Obama have to show for all of his spending? An economy that has us all feeling that this country is in decline, that my friend is born out by polling of the American people, we no longer look forward as a people to our country's future... Thank you president Obama!

Dave Johnson Loc: Grand Rapids, Michigan

Obama also reports the expenditures of the war effort in Afghanistan and Iraq, whereas W didn't. Also, polling doesn't measure a persons usefulness only his popularity at the time.

Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.

See, you obviously don't know much about federal budgets, just because Bush did not put the wars on the budget for the appropriation process does not mean that those expenditures were not accounted for and included in the calculation of his deficit spending, they were, just one more lie of the left.... You should never trust the media for anything regarding the federal budgets, the information is published and you can easily educate yourself and not be taken by the media and their agenda.

Dave Johnson Loc: Grand Rapids, Michigan

I will take your advice and verify my sources as I always try to work from a tenable position. I encourage you to do the same.

As to the second part of my post, would you agree that polling is useless as a measure of job performance?

Gitzo Loc: Indiana

Dave; I'll try to make this as brief as possible; as of "right now", you are obviously NOT a poor person; anyone who is "into" photography, and who has the equipment you list, is obviously a successful person, having a pretty decent "income"; if I'm right so far, tell me this; did YOU accomplish what you have, on your own initiative, or do you "feel" that you owe most of YOUR relative "success" to Obama and his "policies and programs"?

If you feel that the latter is the case, I really must tell you, you are in a "category" of exactly "ONE"! I happen to be very familiar with your state; prior to my retirement in 1997, I spent a LOT of time all over Michigan; I even worked for a company in Pontiac once for about six months, after the company I had been working for had moved, and laid everyone off; If your intent is to make a case for Obama being a great "leader" or a great "anything else", I can assure you right now, you have an IMPOSSIBLE task ahead of you.

You hear a lot about "old sayings" and "old adages" on this forum; one of my personal favorites states; "you can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear"; I think Obama is about as good of an example of that as anyone I can think of, and I also think there are quite a few people on this forum who would agree with me about that.

Here's another "observation"; you are currently attempting to "out-talk", "out-think" Blurryeyes; I predict.....you will be here a very long time trying to do either !

Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.

Dave, I will admit that I have little faith in this president, because of that I tend to see much of what he does from a completely different perspective than do his supporters, I think that his policies have be disasterous for economic growth, I really don't like his divisive politics and I don't think that even he believes half of the crap that comes out of his own mouth, he is the ultimate politician. When this president feels the need for support from his base he uses his bully pulpit to contrast our differences in our society and then rally's us against each other. I have little to no respect for this president and I will not hide that fact so I know that any assessment that I make of him is done through that lens... For example it scares me that after a 15 min phone call to the president of Iran, a country which we know is enriching uranium to produce a bomb and a country which we know kills Americans, this president thinks that he can come to some sort of deal with these people, they will play him for a fool and go on with their program all the while our president will be telling us that great progress has been made... He doesn't care about this, all he cares about in my opinion is that he can now claim progress on the Iranian issue even though it is all a farce being played in a dangerous and real game with serious outcomes. He is more concerned with his image than he is with real results, that was the whole impetus behind the Syrian attack, he was balls to the wall until the UK pulled out and then he could not bring himself to act on his own but he was ready to do so for all the wrong reasons, simply to save face. It was easy for Putin to intervene and make a deal that worked to the favor of both Russia and Assad, hell a war criminal goes free and is insulated into power after using WMD on his own people, all through a deal signed off on by our president. He is a fool and now exposed he will only continue to make even worse decisions as he tries to establish himself as the leader that he is not and never will be.

I have spent a lot of time on government sites reading budget CBO reports so that I can understand our budgets and know when our government and politicians, republicans and democrats alike are feeding us a line of BS. As many have said here, they are two heads of the same snake.

Dave Johnson Loc: Grand Rapids, Michigan

Thank you for your comments Gitzo UH. You are right, a forum like this is no place to argue politics because nothing can be resolved in a few posts. I just get tired of post after post after post of anti-Obama sentiment when I feel as though he's doing a decent job. Notice I said "decent Job." Not perfect job, not amazing job, a decent job.

There are those here who believe the president is deliberately trying to sabotage the country. Realy???

Many here are complaining about Obama-care when the other candidate has basically the same thing instituted in his state of Massachusetts. And speaking of states, Michigan hasn't done that bad under the Obama administration, and no, Detroit's current problems have nothing to do with Obama.

I personally am doing OK now but I can't always say that was true. When I needed unemployment (insurance) I took it or my family and I would have been in trouble. When we were hungry, food stamps were mighty helpful. We all know someone who benefits from a government program or two. Medicaid/Medicare, Disability, financial aid for the poor, students, etc. are the single largest drain on the financial resources of this country but how would you do it differently. It's not like I was living large on unemployment. You asked if I feel I owe my current prosperity to Obama, no I do not. Nor do I owe it to Bush.

I'm not trying to out talk or out think anyone I mostly want to present an opposing view. Trying to bring to light the other side of the coin. As I said above, there seems to be a lot of acrimony toward the president that I think is poorly placed. If my statements are demonstratively wrong I'll change my opinion. Until that time I chose to believe that Obama is doing the best he can with the cards he's been dealt. Sorry if this is a little long winded but I want to explain my position. I also want it to be known I hold no grudge with anyone here.

Dave Johnson Loc: Grand Rapids, Michigan

Thank you Blurryeyed for your well reasoned comments. We obviously see the presidents efforts in a different light but that's ok, I can live with disagreement. It's the banal and mindless comments that have seemed all to prevalent in this forum that I'm having a problem with. You see the president as divisive, I see the republicans as divisive, I'm sure we could discuss the problem for days but at least we see the divisiveness as a problem :).

We do find agreement on the Iranian front. There is no trusting anything that comes out of the middle east.

Obama's legacy will be better judged in hind site I'm sure. Is he a great leader??? I think he's doing his best.