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Sep 22, 2013 07:29:57   #
winterrose Loc: Kyneton, Victoria, Australia
 
jonsommer wrote:
You've defined what 'art' isn't (to you), which can endlessly and pedantically be debated here and elsewhere, without resolution, and ultimately, does it matter? Let's hear your definition of what 'art' is.


Art to me is the expression or application of creative skill and imagination. Art is the result of having some sort of intent, not the result of accident or gimmickry.

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Sep 22, 2013 08:36:23   #
martinfisherphoto Loc: Lake Placid Florida
 
I find it amusing that you place yourself Above other Ordinary folks. Most of the folks here and on other forums are fairly new to the photography hobby. There vision of Art is adding presets to photos, thus creating Their Art. Why don't you Amuse us with some of Your Art so we can see if you are Qualified to be an Art Critique, or just someone that takes pleasure in down playing others efforts.
winterrose wrote:
I think it's rather amusing to see people here and in other forums posting images which they consider as being "art". They start with a rather ordinary photograph of a rather ordinary subject then they try all sorts of preset "effects" prepared by other people until they come up with something pretty then because they "created" the resulting image, they call it "art". To my mind "art" is something which is manifested firstly in someone's mind and the "artist" must then have the personal ability to create that manifestation into a viewable form.
I think it's rather amusing to see people here and... (show quote)

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Sep 22, 2013 08:49:38   #
winterrose Loc: Kyneton, Victoria, Australia
 
fstop22 wrote:
I find it amusing that you place yourself Above other Ordinary folks. Most of the folks here and on other forums are fairly new to the photography hobby. There vision of Art is adding presets to photos, thus creating Their Art. Why don't you Amuse us with some of Your Art so we can see if you are Qualified to be an Art Critique, or just someone that takes pleasure in down playing others efforts.


You can amuse yourself all you like if so so care. I have posted many photographs, just get off your botty and have a look. You know how. As for my photographs being art?....I have never claimed that to be the case. Cheerio, Rob.

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Sep 22, 2013 08:59:40   #
martinfisherphoto Loc: Lake Placid Florida
 
I thought you referred to this as being an Art style. Thanks for the Amusement. http://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-147843-1.html
winterrose wrote:
You can amuse yourself all you like if so so care. I have posted many photographs, just get off your botty and have a look. You know how. As for my photographs being art?....I have never claimed that to be the case. Cheerio, Rob.

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Sep 22, 2013 09:05:09   #
winterrose Loc: Kyneton, Victoria, Australia
 
fstop22 wrote:
I thought you referred to this as being an Art style. Thanks for the Amusement. http://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-147843-1.html


That, as you darn well know, was there as an embarrassment to a troll. Try again. Cheerio, Rob.

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Sep 22, 2013 09:06:09   #
SpeedyWilson Loc: Upstate South Carolina
 
Art is making something better without knowing what better is until you make it.
~~Darby Bannard

Of course, as you seek to make things better, other people might begin to question your sanity. If you get more people questioning your sanity, you might then have more people declaring you to be an artist ... and then you can question their sanity.

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Sep 22, 2013 09:12:20   #
Grampa Bob Loc: Idaho Falls,ID
 
people are quite free to define it for them selves. IMHO[/quote]

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Sep 22, 2013 09:13:58   #
winterrose Loc: Kyneton, Victoria, Australia
 
fstop22 wrote:
I thought you referred to this as being an Art style. Thanks for the Amusement. http://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-147843-1.html


I had a look at your postings and inasmuch as they are of high quality and worthy of commendation they are nevertheless photographs, not art. And I don't think that you yourself would qualify them as such. Cheers, Rob.

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Sep 22, 2013 09:25:32   #
winterrose Loc: Kyneton, Victoria, Australia
 
Grampa Bob wrote:
people are quite free to define it for them selves. IMHO
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I took this shot the other day, pretty good eh? What? I left what on? The lens cap? Yeah, but so what? I'm an artiste!



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Sep 22, 2013 09:48:40   #
Ambrose Loc: North America
 
winterrose wrote:
Art to me is the expression or application of creative skill and imagination. Art is the result of having some sort of intent, not the result of accident or gimmickry.

So if I am taking a picture of a sunset, and unbeknownst to me, a beautiful ray of sunshine appears just as I press the shutter (an accident), then I can't consider it art because it wasn't my intent?
(I'm loving this debate btw).

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Sep 22, 2013 10:21:43   #
winterrose Loc: Kyneton, Victoria, Australia
 
Ambrose wrote:
So if I am taking a picture of a sunset, and unbeknownst to me, a beautiful ray of sunshine appears just as I press the shutter (an accident), then I can't consider it art because it wasn't my intent?
(I'm loving this debate btw).


No, no, that is not what I mean. What I am bringing to debate is the notion by some that taking any old happy snap into a image editing program and fiddling around with gimmicky filter effects until by some fluke coming up with something that looks "interesting" then claiming to have created something of note. That it takes no particular skill nor any understanding of what they did makes a mockery of the work done by those who strive to produce well conceived, high quality images at a good technical level.

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Sep 22, 2013 10:26:18   #
Hypno Loc: Miami
 
winterrose wrote:
In the olden times, those we now consider to be pioneers crossed the oceans blue in sailing ships and it took them a year.

They risked life and limb and if they didn't know what they were doing, they forfeited.

In the olden times, photographers had only fixed focus, fixed aperture lenses fitted to wooden boxes and they had trek for miles in the wilderness to take very long exposures and puddle around in chemicals in the dark in order to somehow glean a image from the plate.

When they printed, there was much examination and the making of masks in custom made shapes followed by elaborate rituals of predetermined, timed exposures and the waving about of the masks attached to sticks as the masters of photography dodged and burned in the darkroom.

But wait a minute!

Masters of photography?

What are they doing so tampering with the image they photographed?

That isn't art!

I consider that in this day and age, just as it was back then, a photographic image is created in three stages.

The cognetive stage, whether the prospective image is simply recognized in passing such as during a walk in a garden or at a show or an opportunity is exploited such as at a race or if the image is highly planned at a photo shoot.

The shooting stage when the technical decisions are made such as choice of camera and lens, the setup, lighting, time of day, camera settings and finally composition of the shot.

Then lastly the processing of the captured image.

An accomplished photographer must have a good degree of mastery over each stage. As the completed photograph is affected by any of these cumulative stages, as long as the photographer remains as the creator and manipulator then to my mind the artistry attributed to the image attributes equally to its creator.

So to be concise, yes.

Regards, and thanks for the question.

Rob.
P.S. you didn't say whether or not I have a chance.
In the olden times, those we now consider to be pi... (show quote)




As the saying goes " Art is in the eye of the beholder"

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Sep 22, 2013 11:29:58   #
Graham Thirkill Loc: Idylic North Yorkshire, England UK.
 
winterrose wrote:
Art to me is the expression or application of creative skill and imagination. Art is the result of having some sort of intent, not the result of accident or gimmickry.


I agree with winterrose about over editing. Some photographs on here are so false and some colours are so unnatural, plus the sharpen slide has been well overworked, some photographs are so bitty they are like a very cheap jig-saw puzzle picture. Is the art
in taking the photograph, as it should be IMHO or is the art in being very good with Photoshop or any other editing application.
It seems the editing progs are vital tools in a photographers kit,
to get the image correct, some way or another. Obviously I am not saying it is wrong to use editing. That is again, up to the photographer. I would rather see a photograph that hasn't been edited, or the editing does not alter the original, all that much.

Graham Thirkill
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Sep 22, 2013 11:40:14   #
PuppyDoc Loc: Wisconsin
 
winterrose wrote:
I think it's rather amusing to see people here and in other forums posting images which they consider as being "art". They start with a rather ordinary photograph of a rather ordinary subject then they try all sorts of preset "effects" prepared by other people until they come up with something pretty then because they "created" the resulting image, they call it "art". To my mind "art" is something which is manifested firstly in someone's mind and the "artist" must then have the personal ability to create that manifestation into a viewable form.
I think it's rather amusing to see people here and... (show quote)


I guess the appropriate response here is "art is in the eye of the beholder." I've seen far too many works of "art" appear in the Art museums and galleries, etc. that I would never consider them to be art but apparently someone did... In that vane, it is not my place to judge and criticize. I have my opinion of what I call art and what I don't call art. No doubt, there are those who would disagree with what I consider art. That doesn't make either one of us wrong. Regardless, the method of creating the "art" is also up to the artist. Some choose to splatter paint on a sheet and call it art. Some choose to weld scrap metal and trash into sculptures and call it art. I chose not to "admire" what I don't consider art for me. I don't go on a public rant to criticize the effort of others.

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Sep 22, 2013 11:50:55   #
winterrose Loc: Kyneton, Victoria, Australia
 
I don't go on a public rant to criticize the effort of others.

RANT: Means to speak or write in an angry or violent manner; to utter or express with violence or extravagance; violent or extravagant speech or writing; a speech or piece of writing that incites anger or violence.

That's a rather inappropriately strong word to describe my observation.

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