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Sep 21, 2013 22:09:00   #
Shutterbugsailer Loc: Staten Island NY (AKA Cincinnati by the Sea)
 
travelwp wrote:
What Carson policy does your mom disagree with?


Think you missed my point. She thinks going into politics at all is a waste of a brilliant medical mind. She worships doctors

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Sep 21, 2013 22:15:43   #
travelwp Loc: New Jersey
 
Shutterbugsailer wrote:
Think you missed my point. She thinks going into politics at all is a waste of a brilliant medical mind. She worships doctors


I'm sorry, yes I did miss the point.

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Sep 21, 2013 22:47:40   #
lukevaliant Loc: gloucester city,n. j.
 
anything .gov is bull-when is the last thing you saw anything good on .gov?

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Sep 21, 2013 22:48:06   #
lukevaliant Loc: gloucester city,n. j.
 
lukevaliant wrote:
anything .gov is bull-when is the last thing you saw anything good on .gov?


:thumbdown:

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Sep 21, 2013 22:49:50   #
lukevaliant Loc: gloucester city,n. j.
 
again i'm sorry phil-that this went sour for you & all who agree with us :(

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Sep 21, 2013 22:59:05   #
Pepper Loc: Planet Earth Country USA
 
richard-sports wrote:
The racism on this sight becomes more open and blatant every day.
And please don't bother to deny it, your prior words tell us all we need to know.


After carefully reading all the posts on this thread to this point (page 4). This is the only racist remark or post I've read....just sayin. Could it be that you are confused about just what a racist is?

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Sep 22, 2013 00:03:04   #
thegrover Loc: Yorba Linda, CA
 
phil7782 wrote:
Once again, you look at the surface number and don't look underneath so you don't know WHY sales are up, now.

Pontiac, Oldsmobile, Hummer, Saturn, Mercury, Plymouth are all brands that have gone away since "Detroit was saved"...

Tens of thousands of jobs, GONE...

As for the recent sales, that is more due to the fact that people have been holding on to their cars for longer than normal, the average age of US cars is 12+ years, up from 8.5 years in 1995. They haven't had the disposable income and their cars are wearing out and they've had to keep the old iron running as best as they could. There comes a point when it just becomes economically feasible to get a new vehicle. Interest rates are low and summer inventories need to be cleared out, so there are incentives.

So, it's NOT magic. It's simple math.

Phil
Once again, you look at the surface number and don... (show quote)

So saving the auto industry was bad policy?

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Sep 22, 2013 00:33:19   #
phil7782 Loc: Rancho Cucamonga, CA
 
thegrover wrote:
So saving the auto industry was bad policy?


You are SOOOOOO wrong...

I guess you don't actually read the news or know the facts about the so-called "bailout"...

GM was given an original "loan" of $50 Billion to "save" them. Obama also slipped in another $45 Billion in Tax Credits to help GM write off Post Bankruptcy losses. Do you see the word "BANKRUPTCY" ?.

YES !! GM had to declare bankruptcy, as part of the process of the "bailout"...

It's really funny how Romney said the best thing GM could do was to go through Chapter 11, reorganize, reset contracts and start with a better bottom line and it would not cost the Taxpayers ANY $$$. But, OBAMA, in his infinite stupidity, said he would NOT ALLOW GM TO GO BANKRUPT !!

Well, they DID, ANYWAY !!!

And even though GM has paid back part of the loan, it will be at least another 12 years before they are expected to pay back the rest. Either way, the TAXPAYER will be out anywhere from $5 Billion to $10 Billion, maybe more as the stock price of GM does NOT currently support the debt and is not expected to. In other words, the Taxpayer has invested more in GM than it's worth. Doesn't sound like much of a "save", does it?

And with the $7,500 of Tax Incentives for buying the Chevy Volt, ALL that is a loss of revenues that the Taxpayer has to subsidize.

The ONLY reason that GM got the loan was to pay back the UAW. The UAW became one of the major stockholders of GM in exchange for non-funded pension benefits. And how did they GET that stock? By TAKING IT AWAY from the ORIGINAL Lien Holders which consisted of State Pension and Retirement Plans, private investors and corporate investors. So, in essence, Obama stole property from legitimate first position owners of GM and gave it to hos Union buddies.

So, if you actually ever knew the facts, you would know that the GM deal was a sweetheart deal for GM and another way for Obama to stick it to the taxpayer.

I'm sorry to say this, but all you have to do is look around and see that Detroit has declared bankruptcy, many car divisions are now history, and the taxpayer is STILL on the hook for the "bailout".

If you call that "saving the auto industry", please remind me never to ask for your business advice.

Phil

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Sep 22, 2013 05:31:31   #
Michael Hartley Loc: Deer Capital of Georgia
 
Pepper wrote:
After carefully reading all the posts on this thread to this point (page 4). This is the only racist remark or post I've read....just sayin. Could it be that you are confused about just what a racist is?


My point exactly, back on page one.

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