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Dec 8, 2011 10:18:50   #
captken Loc: San Antonio, TX
 
photosbyhenry wrote:
don't like american companies? Don't let the Statue of Liberty hit you in the but as you GO HOME to asia. Kodak made faboulous film like tri-x kodachrome etc. It also produced vital films and other war matireal to help contribute to the effort to keep china, korea, hong kong, India from becoming provinces in the greater japanese empire. As it was said by the silent majority in the late 60's "America, love it or LEAVE it. Also it is extremly classless and rude to dis kodak and praise the Japanese on the 70th anniversary of the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor.
don't like american companies? Don't let the Statu... (show quote)


What he said.[/quote]

Hey gang...chill! As a two tour vet of Nam and having served 36 years in the military I think I'm plenty capable of getting mad when necessary. Now is not the time. I disagree with his assessment of Kodak overall. But individual companies did very well against them. Agfa and Fuji had their strong points and could beat Kodak in some areas. But Kodak made contributions in so many areas. Yeah...I think this dude is wrong but but let's not get all "my country...love it or leave it" on him. BTW, I have NO love for protesters as a Sailor based in Oakland during the 60's and 70's. Getting spit and yelled at is no fun. But this is not an anti-American protest...it's just a comment about a company that's getting it's butt kicked right now.

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Dec 8, 2011 11:18:05   #
sinatraman Loc: Vero Beach Florida, Earth,alpha quaudrant
 
actually read his last line about just another american company... If he lives here he should support the home team. as the old saying goes when in Rome do as the romans do. If he hates american companies so much, he dose not have to live here, he can go to cuba and see how the communists do it.

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Dec 8, 2011 11:34:01   #
nyweb2001
 
Living in Rochester, I myself, and the rest of the town, would love to see Kodak thrive. When I worked there I was one of 60,000 workers at Kodak Park, now there's less than 2000. I had fun in the darkrooms all day and got paid ! We all used Kodak film, as well as papers and chemicals (for those of us with home darkrooms). A disappointment was their digital cameras. I still buy Kodak film and use Kodak paper, although there's better out there ! I wish they could turn around....property values around them have dropped, businesses have folded, it's a major blow to this town along with General Motors having pulled out !

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Dec 8, 2011 13:21:46   #
pdwoodswood Loc: Lewisville, NC
 
captken wrote:
photosbyhenry wrote:
don't like american companies? Don't let the Statue of Liberty hit you in the but as you GO HOME to asia. Kodak made faboulous film like tri-x kodachrome etc. It also produced vital films and other war matireal to help contribute to the effort to keep china, korea, hong kong, India from becoming provinces in the greater japanese empire. As it was said by the silent majority in the late 60's "America, love it or LEAVE it. Also it is extremly classless and rude to dis kodak and praise the Japanese on the 70th anniversary of the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor.
don't like american companies? Don't let the Statu... (show quote)


Pearl Harbor??? Way off topic....no one is diss'n Kodak...just stating a sad fact of Kodak's failure to strategically react to the competitors challenge. Kodak had good neg/pos film. If they ever had a 35mm world class consumer camera I was not aware of it.
movin' on

What he said.
quote=photosbyhenry don't like american companies... (show quote)


Hey gang...chill! As a two tour vet of Nam and having served 36 years in the military I think I'm plenty capable of getting mad when necessary. Now is not the time. I disagree with his assessment of Kodak overall. But individual companies did very well against them. Agfa and Fuji had their strong points and could beat Kodak in some areas. But Kodak made contributions in so many areas. Yeah...I think this dude is wrong but but let's not get all "my country...love it or leave it" on him. BTW, I have NO love for protesters as a Sailor based in Oakland during the 60's and 70's. Getting spit and yelled at is no fun. But this is not an anti-American protest...it's just a comment about a company that's getting it's butt kicked right now.[/quote]

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Dec 11, 2011 12:51:48   #
photosbyhenry Loc: Apple Valley MN
 
photosbyhenry wrote:
Elvis will always be the "King" of rock and roll, Richard Petty will always be the "King" of NASCAR,and there will always be a "KODAK MOMMENT".


This is what I said. Someone tagged another comment to me.

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Dec 28, 2011 11:33:42   #
RixPix Loc: Miami, Florida
 
Kodak's patent portfolio has been valued at around 3 billion dollars. That is a pretty good chunk of change. My guess is that they will sell off every aspect of their business that requires some form of labor or marketing and just manage their licensing fees. That is what has happened to virtually every other established American brand in the past decade. Imagine collecting money for doing nothing but permitting others to use your ideas.

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Dec 28, 2011 15:21:04   #
mawyatt Loc: Clearwater, Florida
 
Kodak had some of the early digital camera technology in sensors called CCD (Charge Coupled Device), which was invented at Bell Labs....where else (don't get me going on Bell Labs!!). For awhile this was the standard high end digital image sensor and Kodak made some very good ones, they among the most sensitive and lowest noise sensors available (big astro-photography following).

CMOS technology was following the digital revolution (Moore's Law) and eventually CMOS sensors caught up with CCD in sensitivity and noise, but at a lower price point. In the commerical semiconductor world CMOS rules, and as we know now so is the case in image sensors.

Since the sensor is probably the most expensive component in a digital camera body, CMOS based digital cameras could be competive with CCD based cameras performance-wise but at a lower price point. Today just about every digital camera is CMOS based.

I don't believe Kodak ever caught on to the CMOS train, and this really hurt them in the digital camera business and contributed to their problems.

Other's will follow Kodak's path too, as we focus on bailouts, litigation, wellfare and corruption while other nations focus on the technology future. Almost every modern device from autos, to the internet, to TVs, to computers, iPads, to iPods, to SmartPhones, to GPS, to WiFi and our beloved digital cameras all are here, or in much better form because of semiconductor technology. Yet our own government chooses not to significantly invest in this semiconductor future, while others governments do.

It seems we as a nation are following Kodak's and Poloroid's path.

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Dec 28, 2011 15:31:33   #
RobertMaxey
 
Xiaoding wrote:
The old days were not that great.

Kodak had a great knack for making blah, boring films and blah, pastely prints.

Agfachrome blew Kodak away. Then FUJI. Thank God for the Japanese! They saved photography!

I worked in printing back in the day, even the Kodak film for printing blew. It was just that no one knew it, because they were brainwashed into buying nothing but Kodak. I remember when the guy from GAF came and showed us what they had...another "Kodak" moment! As in, Kodak gone!

Another mediocre American company, groupthinking itself into the rear view mirror. Don't miss them.
The old days were not that great. br br Kodak had... (show quote)


You are so wrong.

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Dec 31, 2011 11:17:59   #
captken Loc: San Antonio, TX
 
Since all of us are interested in Kodak's success (or lack thereof) I thought I'd share this article with you.

http://dailycaller.com/2011/12/30/kodak-loses-a-third-board-member-this-week-2/

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Dec 31, 2011 11:52:18   #
RobertMaxey
 
sinatraman wrote:
Xiaoding wrote:
The old days were not that great.

Kodak had a great knack for making blah, boring films and blah, pastely prints.

Agfachrome blew Kodak away. Then FUJI. Thank God for the Japanese! They saved photography!

I worked in printing back in the day, even the Kodak film for printing blew. It was just that no one knew it, because they were brainwashed into buying nothing but Kodak. I remember when the guy from GAF came and showed us what they had...another "Kodak" moment! As in, Kodak gone!

Another mediocre American company, groupthinking itself into the rear view mirror. Don't miss them.
The old days were not that great. br br Kodak had... (show quote)


don't like american companies? Don't let the Statue of Liberty hit you in the but as you GO HOME to asia. Kodak made faboulous film like tri-x kodachrome etc. It also produced vital films and other war matireal to help contribute to the effort to keep china, korea, hong kong, India from becoming provinces in the greater japanese empire. As it was said by the silent majority in the late 60's "America, love it or LEAVE it. Also it is extremly classless and rude to dis kodak and praise the Japanese on the 70th anniversary of the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor.
quote=Xiaoding The old days were not that great. ... (show quote)


Do not bother with that person, sinatraman. Clearly he or she needs to learn a little something about Kodak and what they once provided. Clearly and without question, one can question just how much printing he has actually done.

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Dec 31, 2011 11:59:50   #
RobertMaxey
 
I wonder what Kodak would be like in a few years if they started advertising film, pushing the products and adding new materials like paper, chemicals, films.

Vast numbers of people--professionals and amateurs--shoot digital and I suspect that not allot of people these days will not spend the money for prints when they have digital cameras.

Perhaps Kodak is nearing an end and there is no saving the company. Or, perhaps if Kodak added new films, brought back Kodachrome, emphasized film and stopped their digital efforts, people might decide to use more film.

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Dec 31, 2011 14:04:45   #
rayford2 Loc: New Bethlehem, PA
 
RobertMaxey wrote:
I wonder what Kodak would be like in a few years if they started advertising film, pushing the products and adding new materials like paper, chemicals, films.

Vast numbers of people--professionals and amateurs--shoot digital and I suspect that not allot of people these days will not spend the money for prints when they have digital cameras.

Perhaps Kodak is nearing an end and there is no saving the company. Or, perhaps if Kodak added new films, brought back Kodachrome, emphasized film and stopped their digital efforts, people might decide to use more film.
I wonder what Kodak would be like in a few years i... (show quote)


With the cost of film, developing and printing, and no image preview on a film camera that would be an impossible sell to the public.

The convenience of digital photography has dwarfed the film industry to a few manufacturers who did not have the overhead the huge Eastman Kodak had.

The sad fact is that Kodak, like so many other US companies, is cursed with stockholder greed and in doing so they elect marketing CEO's instead of people who know how to engineer and make things. The Kodak name will be around but it likely will be licensed (sold) to someone connected with a foreign company, just like Polaroid, etal.

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