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Sep 13, 2013 11:02:44   #
nimbushopper Loc: Tampa, FL
 
EdJ0307 wrote:
Didn't the English used to say "the sun never set on the British empire"? Seems they did their fair share of military intervening back in the day. I can see why England wouldn't want to get involved in Syria after that fiasco they had over Poland in '39. Got their butts kicked but could have been worse if someone else didn't intervene and help pull their chestnuts out of the fire. Hitler deciding to attack Russia took a lot of the heat off the Brits, also. And yes, I'm rehashing ancient history.
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Sep 13, 2013 11:17:55   #
Sierracoyote Loc: Sierra Nevada Mountains
 
Photo-Al wrote:
Please don't take this as absolute disagreement: I just think there is "more to the story" than 99% of us know about. Yes, it is called an internal conflict (civil war), but Russia has been supplying weaponry and munitions to the Assad regime for some time. So has Iran, and likely other nations as well. It has never been a "fair fight". Does that mean we (US) should intervene? Not necessarily. Does the use of chemical warfare mean we should intervene? I don't know. Viscerally, I would like to blast whoever did such a deed to smithereens, but I don't know who was responsible. Suspect, yes: Know, no. Is it right at any time for another nation to intervene in another country's conflict? If the answer is yes, who is going to do it? Who gets asked to do it? US. We assume that foreign people have the same values and think the same as we do ... they don't.
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Sep 13, 2013 13:50:35   #
manderson Loc: Northeast Nebraska
 
JR1 wrote:
NOT you, NOT the American people, the leaders who supposedly speak for the people without asking the people.


Amen.

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Sep 13, 2013 17:22:44   #
riverlass Loc: northern California
 
I don't know about other commentors, but I find this thread very interesting. No silly remarks, no one liners just for the effect. Mostly real feelings about what is going on and how America figures into it all.
When I hear from people in other countries and what they think of us, it breaks my heart. We are not looked at kindly and we are loosing our good image in the eyes of the world. How sad.
Thanks for all the mature comments and true feelings. Thanks JR for starting a very good conversation.

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Sep 15, 2013 04:25:20   #
garceh Loc: florida
 
Photo-Al wrote:
Please don't take this as absolute disagreement: I just think there is "more to the story" than 99% of us know about. Yes, it is called an internal conflict (civil war), but Russia has been supplying weaponry and munitions to the Assad regime for some time. So has Iran, and likely other nations as well. It has never been a "fair fight". Does that mean we (US) should intervene? Not necessarily. Does the use of chemical warfare mean we should intervene? I don't know. Viscerally, I would like to blast whoever did such a deed to smithereens, but I don't know who was responsible. Suspect, yes: Know, no. Is it right at any time for another nation to intervene in another country's conflict? If the answer is yes, who is going to do it? Who gets asked to do it? US. We assume that foreign people have the same values and think the same as we do ... they don't.
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Who asked us to do it? I as a tax payer have not been asked. It is THEIR civil war, let them sort it out. There are plenty of issues at home lets see if we can take care of those first, then maybe(just maybe) we can try to help others.

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Sep 23, 2013 11:02:17   #
romanticf16 Loc: Commerce Twp, MI
 
riverlass wrote:
I wish more of you from other countries would weigh in on this. As an American, I would like to know what other people think of us, as a "model of democracy".
I'm beginning to think that we have done some damage to the ideal.


We stole the Southwest from Mexico: Took over Cuba and the Phillipines in a war with Spain. and broke every indian treaty we ever signed. What more do you need to know? Oh yes, slavery and segregation too, the internment of American Citizens of Japanese ancestry but not that of German Ancestory(Who had active Nazi ties). Shall I go on? And I am an American, but not blinded by the fallacies we cling to about our equality.

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Sep 23, 2013 17:05:01   #
riverlass Loc: northern California
 
romanticf16 wrote:
We stole the Southwest from Mexico: Took over Cuba and the Phillipines in a war with Spain. and broke every indian treaty we ever signed. What more do you need to know? Oh yes, slavery and segregation too, the internment of American Citizens of Japanese ancestry but not that of German Ancestory(Who had active Nazi ties). Shall I go on? And I am an American, but not blinded by the fallacies we cling to about our equality.


I know this. And still we cling to the misguided attitude of Manifest Destiny and, NOW, "...in the name of what's best for the whole world." as an excuse for helping others. NOW we have expanded our beliefs to other countries. It's a superior attitude that creates segregation and the assumption that we know what is best for others.
Because we still believe in this...
1. The special virtues of the American people and their institutions; 2. America's mission to redeem and remake the world in the image of America; 3. A divine destiny under God's direction to accomplish this wonderful task.
I'm an American too. I have American Indian blood in me and I love this country. I just think we need to take care of our own business instead of protecting our interests in other countries.... in the name of humanitarian efforts.
But, it doesn't seem that it's going to happen. We are building resentment in the world and it will backfire on us one of these days.
I still want to hear from folks in other countries. I want to know what they really think of us. This forum is a place for that. I don't think it's going to be positive.
Americans are like bickering children. We don't control our anger or listen carefully. We think we have the right to say anything without consequences. We misspeak and we are told that it's OK as long as we say "I'm sorry."
Go on... speak your piece and get angry and tell me off. It's a sign of the times. Just remember what the stakes are.
We will be known forever by the tracks we leave. - Dakota

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