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Parents chose faith over medicine; two children die
Aug 8, 2013 20:29:28 #
Parents chose faith over medicine; two children die
Catherine and Herbert Schaible arrive to turn themselves in at police headquarters in Philadelphia on Wednesday, May 22, 2013. The couple who believe in faith healing over medicine and who were on probation in their son's pneumonia death were charged with murder Wednesday after a second young child died under what a prosecutor called "eerily similar" circumstances.
About a dozen U.S. children die each year when parents turn to faith healing instead of medicine, typically from highly treatable problems, according to experts. At least one state, Oregon, explicitly banned faith healing as a murder defense after a series of deaths.
The Schaibles are third-generation members and former teachers at the First Century Gospel Church, a small, insular congregation in northeast Philadelphia.
"We believe in divine healing, that Jesus ... died on the cross to break the devil's power," Herbert Schaible, 45, told homicide detectives after Brandon died.
Catherine and Herbert Schaible arrive to turn themselves in at police headquarters in Philadelphia on Wednesday, May 22, 2013. The couple who believe in faith healing over medicine and who were on probation in their son's pneumonia death were charged with murder Wednesday after a second young child died under what a prosecutor called "eerily similar" circumstances.
About a dozen U.S. children die each year when parents turn to faith healing instead of medicine, typically from highly treatable problems, according to experts. At least one state, Oregon, explicitly banned faith healing as a murder defense after a series of deaths.
The Schaibles are third-generation members and former teachers at the First Century Gospel Church, a small, insular congregation in northeast Philadelphia.
"We believe in divine healing, that Jesus ... died on the cross to break the devil's power," Herbert Schaible, 45, told homicide detectives after Brandon died.
"We should have called Benny Hinn".
Aug 8, 2013 20:39:41 #
James Randi Claims Faith-healers are a Fraud
James Randi, the celebrated magician, has written a damning indictment of the faith-healing practices of the leading televangelists and others who claim divine healing powers. Randi and his team of researchers attended scores of "miracle services" and often were pronounced "healed" of the nonexistent illnesses they claimed.
They viewed first-hand the tragedies resulting from the wide-spread belief that faith healing can cure every conceivable disease. The ministries, they discovered, were rife with deception, chicanery, and often outright fraud.
http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/662279.The_Faith_Healers
James Randi, the celebrated magician, has written a damning indictment of the faith-healing practices of the leading televangelists and others who claim divine healing powers. Randi and his team of researchers attended scores of "miracle services" and often were pronounced "healed" of the nonexistent illnesses they claimed.
They viewed first-hand the tragedies resulting from the wide-spread belief that faith healing can cure every conceivable disease. The ministries, they discovered, were rife with deception, chicanery, and often outright fraud.
http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/662279.The_Faith_Healers
Aug 8, 2013 20:40:02 #
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Aug 8, 2013 20:41:19 #
tlbuljac wrote:
Yes. It shows that the slogan "Ignorance is bliss' is untrue.so sad
Aug 8, 2013 20:51:24 #
One error in the article:
First Century Gospel Church is squarely in North Philadelphia, not Northeast Philadelphia. If the congregation had been in the Northeast District, police would have cracked down on that congregation and its dangerous practices years ago. Things are a little more loose and anarchistic in North Philadelphia, where wacky churches and religious sects such as this one like to operate.
First Century Gospel Church is squarely in North Philadelphia, not Northeast Philadelphia. If the congregation had been in the Northeast District, police would have cracked down on that congregation and its dangerous practices years ago. Things are a little more loose and anarchistic in North Philadelphia, where wacky churches and religious sects such as this one like to operate.
Aug 8, 2013 22:02:53 #
magicray wrote:
b James Randi Claims Faith-healers are a Fraud /b... (show quote)
Why do I find it very ironic that a magician (one who excels at deception & slight-of-hand) is condemning Tele-evangelists (not that they don't deserve it). Ironic indeed -- sort of like the pot calling the kettle black, isn't it?
Aug 8, 2013 22:05:33 #
Aug 8, 2013 22:12:35 #
wrr wrote:
that's not to say that faith can't heal...
Agree, healing can and does still happen -- I just have a big problem with the modern tele-evangelists and their scamming & deception and just found it ironic that one form of "deceiver" is condemning another. Sort of like one bank robber saying another bank robber is doing something illegal.
Aug 8, 2013 22:20:49 #
Frapha wrote:
Agree, healing can and does still happen -- I just have a big problem with the modern tele-evangelists and their scamming & deception and just found it ironic that one form of "deceiver" is condemning another. Sort of like one bank robber saying another bank robber is doing something illegal.
Right, I wasn't disagreeing with you, just making a comment to the thread in general. Actually I agree with your statement completely.
Aug 8, 2013 23:48:06 #
This is not a reflection on Faith and Christian's . Christian's can and do have faith in doctors and in Medicine just as doctors have faith in God. Now please lets not argue about religion. Lets keep this in prospective. I think faith healers are fakes but that dose not make my faith fake. I never have liked TV "send me your money" preachers either but not all TV ministries are bad.
Aug 9, 2013 01:26:30 #
Pepper
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There are crooks and bad people in every walk of life and Christianity is not immune from them. Whats frustrating is that some will condemn all of Christianity for vile and immoral actions of a few individuals. The thing one must keep in mind is that Christianity is not about men/women and their successes or their failures. Christianity is about Jesus Christ, who He is, what He did and what He taught. The fact that man comes along, distorts and abuses the teachings are not the fault of Christianity but the fault of men.
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Aug 9, 2013 03:29:19 #
Pepper wrote:
There are crooks and bad people in every walk of l... (show quote)
You deserve a :thumbup:
Aug 9, 2013 04:21:44 #
This shows the importance of correct Biblical interpretation. It's why seminary education is important with a background of at least two years in Greek. There is nothing in the Bible that would support healing over medical care. In fact, miracles in the Bible are closely associated with authenticating the messenger....Moses, Elijah, and Christ. Miracles are not the norm.
Aug 9, 2013 06:22:08 #
wrr wrote:
that's not to say that faith can't heal...
well it's never healed an amputee
Aug 9, 2013 07:06:30 #
nekon wrote:
well it's never healed an amputee
It maybe hasn't, you and I don't know for certain, but it can't be said that it couldn't.
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