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Aug 3, 2013 11:17:17   #
Bozsik Loc: Orangevale, California
 
SharpShooter wrote:
The flash can cause disorientation or damage. SS


The flash will not cause damage. Will the the flash effect the vision of the animal? Possibly for a few moments. Turning the outdoor lights on from your house or spotting them with a flashlight will also effect the animal's vision as any change of light would. But they don't cause damage either.

Just get the flash away from the top of the camera. Off to the side or above will work.

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Aug 3, 2013 12:11:09   #
ole sarg Loc: south florida
 
How about vizine?

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Aug 3, 2013 12:40:55   #
Kingmapix Loc: Mesa, Arizona
 
Ask your animals to close their eyes before being photographed.

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Aug 3, 2013 13:36:07   #
Pepper Loc: Planet Earth Country USA
 
The only damage the flash or any other bright light (including lightning flashes) causes is an animal can become a bit disoriented momentarily and may run into something as they bolt away.

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Aug 3, 2013 13:55:34   #
jeep_daddy Loc: Prescott AZ
 
Camerahand wrote:
If you are planning to sell a photo of an animal that your
flash has given the red (blue, white, yellow) eye,
what do you do with it? Do you correct the eyes,
or do you leave them alone?

All photographers know that this is a common
"problem", but will the potential buyers realize this?

If you decide to "fix" the eyes, how do you do it?

Thanks for your suggestions.

Burton


This is probably the number one reason for Photoshop.

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Aug 3, 2013 14:39:49   #
SharpShooter Loc: NorCal
 
Gitzo wrote:
I think I'll discuss this with the DNR guy who I see at the post office occasionally; ( I hate to say for sure, when I'm not sure.)


Gitzo, we as people expose ourselves, by choice, to all kinds of dangers.
When we start to extend this to wildlife, this by our choice only, so we should always error on the side of caution. It's very cavalier for anybody to just make an unfounded assumption.
Gitzo, a very good friend is one of the top notch wildlife biologist/ornithologist in the U.S. Most recently he was in charge of the re-introduction of the Condor into the wild project. I will get in touch with him and we will know straight from the horses mouth, though sometimes he is in the field and out of civilization(I think he prefers that). I will report back when I know. SS

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Aug 3, 2013 14:42:44   #
SharpShooter Loc: NorCal
 
Pepper wrote:
The only damage the flash or any other bright light (including lightning flashes) causes is an animal can become a bit disoriented momentarily and may run into something as they bolt away.


Pepper, is that a good thing, or a bad thing? SS

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Aug 3, 2013 15:57:24   #
wlgoode Loc: Globe, AZ
 
Gitzo UH wrote:
That will work: but here's an even BETTER "plan".........

Understand what causes "red eye" in the first place, then eliminate causing it. (and you won't have to deal with it later.)

Unlike human eye-balls, most animal's eyes are quite different in the way they receive light; all canines, felines, and most reptiles inner eyeball have many more very small "receptors" which are VERY reflective of light rays which are parallel ( or nearly parallel to the optical axis of the lens;
So....a built in flash unit, being only inches above the lens, lights the animal's eyes with light which is almost parallel to what the lens "sees"; use an off-camera flash unit with a "flash bracket" which holds the flash head at least 12 to 18 inches above (or to the side of) the lens, and the light from the flash won't BE reflected back into the lens, and you'll have no more "red-eye".

To better understand what I'm talking about, stand directly in front of a wall mirror, and observe you reflection in the mirror; while still "observing", slowly move sideways a foot or two, while still watching the mirror. Then you'll, see what I mean.
That will work: but here's an even BETTER "p... (show quote)


Visual reciprocity.

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Aug 3, 2013 17:51:29   #
Bozsik Loc: Orangevale, California
 
wlgoode wrote:
Visual reciprocity.


?

The angle of incidence will be equal to the angle of reflectance. It's a physics thing, not complicated. Light travels in straight lines. The closer the flash is to the camera, the higher increase in chances for the light to be reflected back. With all of the blood vessels in the retina, the more chances for the reflection to be red. Varies with the species.

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Aug 3, 2013 17:56:28   #
Pepper Loc: Planet Earth Country USA
 
SharpShooter wrote:
Pepper, is that a good thing, or a bad thing? SS


From the animals perspective it's obviously not so good but this may be one of those mountain out of a molehill moments.

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Aug 3, 2013 18:07:57   #
TucsonCoyote Loc: Tucson AZ
 
Pepper wrote:
From the animals perspective it's obviously not so good but this may be one of those mountain out of a molehill moments.

No doubt being responsible for a mountain goat losing it's footing and plunging to it's death would be less than cool, on the other hand causing an owl to miss a meal by scaring away a cottontail may make you feel differently !

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Aug 4, 2013 00:52:25   #
Gitzo Loc: Indiana
 
SharpShooter wrote:
Gitzo, we as people expose ourselves, by choice, to all kinds of dangers.
When we start to extend this to wildlife, this by our choice only, so we should always error on the side of caution. It's very cavalier for anybody to just make an unfounded assumption.
Gitzo, a very good friend is one of the top notch wildlife biologist/ornithologist in the U.S. Most recently he was in charge of the re-introduction of the Condor into the wild project. I will get in touch with him and we will know straight from the horses mouth, though sometimes he is in the field and out of civilization(I think he prefers that). I will report back when I know. SS
Gitzo, we as people expose ourselves, by choice, t... (show quote)



That's pretty interesting SS; what little time I've spent in Ca., I've never seen a condor; we have an abundance of their 1st cousins here in Indiana, turkey vultures and and a smaller number of black vultures; I kinda have a soft spot for vultures, so every time I see them trying to eat roadkill while dodging cars, I always stop and throw the roadkill out into the field so they can have their lunch in peace. Vultures are extremely wary of people and cars though, so they very seldom get hit by vehicles; (now if only our deer were half that smart!)

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Aug 4, 2013 03:27:18   #
Camerahand Loc: Huntsville, Tennessee
 
Thanks to everyone for your comments and suggestions. I already have a flash bracket that I used with my 35mm camera. I see that I should now go ahead and buy an external flash since the ones I have will not work with the Canon T3i.

Artificial lighting doesn't seem to adversly affect my subjects, not even the bursts to prevent red-eye. However, those bursts will cause the animal to look toward the camera before the main flash fires. Sometimes I don't want that.

My "wildlife" is mostly foxes and 'coons that come to the edge of my back yard. I usually photograph from a distance of ten feet or less. They treat my flashlight like it's not even there, which is good, but they won't look directly at it long enough to prevent red-eye.

I should have posted an example of my problen. I'll do that now.

By the way, TucsonCoyote, Sammy's eyes are beautiful.

Burton

A Fox With Eye Problems
A  Fox With Eye Problems...

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Aug 4, 2013 04:06:40   #
TucsonCoyote Loc: Tucson AZ
 
Gitzo UH wrote:
Vultures are extremely wary of people and cars though, so they very seldom get hit by vehicles;

It's good to know that American vultures are like that......the ones I've met up with up close weren't shy at all and of some concern for my safety at times.
....traveling in the semi-deserts of sub-Saharan Africa these guys would circle at altitude while driving and land when we stopped ....they would even argue among themselves as they moved in closer, as if to say: "he's mine you can have the girl"!! lol

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Aug 4, 2013 04:24:00   #
ScottK Loc: Trophy Club, TX
 
Some flashes have a custom menu where you can set off a pre-flash or modeling flash that will close the pupil, and that will help.

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