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Jul 28, 2013 03:51:14   #
rcirr Loc: Gilbert, Arizona
 
This question I pose to our friends on the left....or any Obama Care supporter.
The unions were very heavily in favor of Obama Care. They worked to promote it, gave money to promote it and their management were talking it up every opportunity they had.
All of the Democrats staffers in congress obviously worked just as hard.
Every trick in the book was used to ram the bill down the throats of the American people.
Why were the unions, Democratic Congress people, Democratic Senators and Democratic staffers all working so hard to pass the bill? We were told it was because the bill was so wonderful. That it would save people in this country thousands a year and provide coverage for almost all Americans.
So here's my question........doesn't it bother you that all of the people who were so adamant you live under this law are all trying to get exempted from it? Do you still support Obama Care? If so, why?

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Jul 29, 2013 06:04:42   #
rebel hiker Loc: Sanford, FLorida & Banner Elk, North Carolina
 
GOOD QUESTION!

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Jul 29, 2013 07:31:27   #
steve03 Loc: long Lsland
 
Obama care originated in the Heritage Foundation a conservative think tank. I would have preferred a single payer plan, but that was not possible so this is what we got. The cost of healthcare was 17.9% of GNP in2010 and raising, soon to be $1in every $5. Healthcare is the prime reason for bankruptcy and we all pay for this though higher fees paid to hospital, doctors or clinics. So we need a healthcare plan to control this or are we to let people just die if they cannot pay?
Yes this is not the best pan but has anyone come up with a better plan that would pass congress?

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Jul 29, 2013 08:12:24   #
Screamin Scott Loc: Marshfield Wi, Baltimore Md, now Dallas Ga
 
The ACA isn't anywhere near being the same plan as what was suggested at the Heritage Foundation. Ditto for the Mass plan, it also is different than the ACA although most liberal say it's the same...How can it possibly be the same as it's a State plan, not a Federally administered plan.Yes, it's universally agreed that our Healthcare system needed improvement, just not this boondoggle of a plan. Yes, it has it's good points, but the bad points need to be revised...
steve03 wrote:
Obama care originated in the Heritage Foundation a conservative think tank. I would have preferred a single payer plan, but that was not possible so this is what we got. The cost of healthcare was 17.9% of GNP in2010 and raising, soon to be $1in every $5. Healthcare is the prime reason for bankruptcy and we all pay for this though higher fees paid to hospital, doctors or clinics. So we need a healthcare plan to control this or are we to let people just die if they cannot pay?
Yes this is not the best pan but has anyone come up with a better plan that would pass congress?
Obama care originated in the Heritage Foundation a... (show quote)

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Jul 29, 2013 14:46:02   #
Reddog Loc: Southern Calif
 
Obama care can not be allowed to succeed by the GOP because all the lies put out their will be discredited. Remember how SS was going to make us all communists? The GOP has done nothing but take useless votes to end Obama care to satisfy the Tea Party. Where is their plan? Where are the Death Panels? Where are the outrageous lines at your doctors office? When is Fox going to quit Obama bashing LOL?

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Jul 29, 2013 15:01:48   #
Screamin Scott Loc: Marshfield Wi, Baltimore Md, now Dallas Ga
 
Just wait....It's coming, but by then it will be too late...
Reddog wrote:
Obama care can not be allowed to succeed by the GOP because all the lies put out their will be discredited. Remember how SS was going to make us all communists? The GOP has done nothing but take useless votes to end Obama care to satisfy the Tea Party. Where is their plan? Where are the Death Panels? Where are the outrageous lines at your doctors office? When is Fox going to quit Obama bashing LOL?

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Jul 29, 2013 15:59:46   #
rcirr Loc: Gilbert, Arizona
 
steve03 wrote:
Obama care originated in the Heritage Foundation a conservative think tank. I would have preferred a single payer plan, but that was not possible so this is what we got. The cost of healthcare was 17.9% of GNP in2010 and raising, soon to be $1in every $5. Healthcare is the prime reason for bankruptcy and we all pay for this though higher fees paid to hospital, doctors or clinics. So we need a healthcare plan to control this or are we to let people just die if they cannot pay?
Yes this is not the best pan but has anyone come up with a better plan that would pass congress?
Obama care originated in the Heritage Foundation a... (show quote)


I don't care if it was written by Rush Limbaugh in his own blood. The law gives the government over citizens health care.....that's not constitutional Chief Justice Roberts convoluted arguments notwithstanding. Not only does it reduce liberty, it increases cost. I don't care if Congress has passed anything better. This plan doesn't improve the situation, it makes it worse. That's what makes congress as a group so dangerous. Any problem they focus on, they feel they MUST pass a bill...even if it makes the problem worse.
As far as you having "preferred a single payer plan" I really don't care. A single payer plan forces everyone to go to the government for healthcare. What gives the government the right to involve itself in my medical issues? It's not in the enumerated powers. Please don't give me the old General Welfare clause.....that kind of logic using the General Welfare clause would allow the federal government to control what people eat, where they live, what they do for work and anything else they want. The federal government does not have that power!
Finally, you decry the cost of modern healthcare. You want to reduce costs? There are two groups that have caused the cost of healthcare to skyrocket. Lawyers and the federal government. If you enact REAL tort reform, allow insurance to be sold across state lines and reduce the regulatory burden of government, costs would drop drastically over a couple of years.
Of course, fixing this problem will be difficult. Congress and lawyers have spent 50 years and billions screwing things up...so it's gonna take a lot to fix it!

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Jul 29, 2013 16:03:25   #
rcirr Loc: Gilbert, Arizona
 
steve03 wrote:
Obama care originated in the Heritage Foundation a conservative think tank. I would have preferred a single payer plan, but that was not possible so this is what we got. The cost of healthcare was 17.9% of GNP in2010 and raising, soon to be $1in every $5. Healthcare is the prime reason for bankruptcy and we all pay for this though higher fees paid to hospital, doctors or clinics. So we need a healthcare plan to control this or are we to let people just die if they cannot pay?
Yes this is not the best pan but has anyone come up with a better plan that would pass congress?
Obama care originated in the Heritage Foundation a... (show quote)


As usual, when confronted with a question that highlights flaws in their position, the left goes back to it's talking points and ignores the question! Answer the question!

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Jul 29, 2013 16:12:30   #
rcirr Loc: Gilbert, Arizona
 
Reddog wrote:
Obama care can not be allowed to succeed by the GOP because all the lies put out their will be discredited. Remember how SS was going to make us all communists? The GOP has done nothing but take useless votes to end Obama care to satisfy the Tea Party. Where is their plan? Where are the Death Panels? Where are the outrageous lines at your doctors office? When is Fox going to quit Obama bashing LOL?


There have been dozens of plans laid out by tea Party and others on the right. They are still on websites all over the place. If you haven't seen them, you are closing your eyes.

As usual, when confronted with a question that highlights flaws in their position, the left goes back to it's talking points and ignores the question! Answer the question!

As far as Death Panels, you may be right. It looks like just one person (Kathleen Sebelius) will be controlling life and death through healthcare decisions.

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/06/kathleen-sebelius-childs-lung-transplant-92237.html

Finally, you ask when will Fox stop Obama bashing? Since he is the sitting President and his screw ups still effect the country, I would assume after he leaves office. Or maybe it will be when the Obama administration stops Bush Bashing? Of course, that will probably be a long time after that!

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Jul 29, 2013 16:22:06   #
SpeedyWilson Loc: Upstate South Carolina
 
Phony Scandals!

Isn't Obamacare one of the phony scandals the administration is warning against?

If they're phony, and if they're scandals, what do we have to worry about?

I'm really concerned about the phoney people who are warning us about the phoney scandals ... the scandals they instigated themselves.

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Jul 29, 2013 16:26:31   #
rcirr Loc: Gilbert, Arizona
 
MisterWilson wrote:
Phony Scandals!

Isn't Obamacare one of the phony scandals the administration is warning against?

If they're phony, and if they're scandals, what do we have to worry about?

I'm really concerned about the phoney people who are warning us about the phoney scandals ... the scandals they instigated themselves.


Amen!

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Jul 29, 2013 17:47:00   #
ConnieLynn
 
rcirr wrote:
This question I pose to our friends on the left....or any Obama Care supporter.
The unions were very heavily in favor of Obama Care. They worked to promote it, gave money to promote it and their management were talking it up every opportunity they had.
All of the Democrats staffers in congress obviously worked just as hard.
Every trick in the book was used to ram the bill down the throats of the American people.
Why were the unions, Democratic Congress people, Democratic Senators and Democratic staffers all working so hard to pass the bill? We were told it was because the bill was so wonderful. That it would save people in this country thousands a year and provide coverage for almost all Americans.
So here's my question........doesn't it bother you that all of the people who were so adamant you live under this law are all trying to get exempted from it? Do you still support Obama Care? If so, why?
This question I pose to our friends on the left...... (show quote)



We all need to start an "All or None" campaign. All the people in the US have to participate in the ACA aka Obamacare program or None of the people in the US have to participate. If this program is good for even one of us it should be good for all of us. If Obama, congress, the unions, IRS and big corporations have to participate then I bet it will be repealed ASAP.

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Jul 29, 2013 18:43:43   #
Bruce with a Canon Loc: Islip
 
steve03 wrote:
Obama care originated in the Heritage Foundation a conservative think tank. I would have preferred a single payer plan, but that was not possible so this is what we got. The cost of healthcare was 17.9% of GNP in2010 and raising, soon to be $1in every $5. Healthcare is the prime reason for bankruptcy and we all pay for this though higher fees paid to hospital, doctors or clinics. So we need a healthcare plan to control this or are we to let people just die if they cannot pay?
Yes this is not the best pan but has anyone come up with a better plan that would pass congress?
Obama care originated in the Heritage Foundation a... (show quote)



easy, scrap it all and go back to the best health care in the world. NO ONE WANTS Obama care, It was shoved down America's throat in the dark of night buy a bunch of hacks that know nothing about health care.
At the time it was sold to us, it was going to cost 700 billion, now prior to its implementation estimates are 3 times that, add to that the 700 billion Obama stole from Mediscare to fund Obama care.
Does ANYONE want some political hack to have any say on who gets a lung transplant? Like say a 10 year old?
I sure don't.
Obama Care is simply a power grab. Control health care and you will control the population. Notice who will collect data and enforce the laws? The corrupt IRS.
Fancy that.
Scrap this monstrocity

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Jul 29, 2013 18:53:25   #
Screamin Scott Loc: Marshfield Wi, Baltimore Md, now Dallas Ga
 
Interesting reading about doctors accepting Medicare...

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/more-doctors-steer-clear-medicare-030500979.html

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Jul 29, 2013 19:24:34   #
Bruce with a Canon Loc: Islip
 
Since it is the prevue of CONGRESS to write in to law TAX and Spending, Obama care does not meet this criteria, and as such is VOID. Senate has no authority to write TAX LEGISTRATION.
KILL Obama care by NOT FUNDING IT.
It worked for the libs for throwing the Viet Nam war under the bus (*a war we were winning).
So why not simply not fund "affordable care act" let it die on the vine

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