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Jul 24, 2013 08:45:44   #
PhotoStar Loc: Calgary, Alberta
 
Yup, you read that right. I've been looking for something to put my flash and/or Led light panels in water for some experimenting with getting light in unusual places. Thought I had read that there were some water proof plastic bags you could get for just such a thing, even putting a camera in one for a short period. Am I bonkers, or just crazy? Did the search here to find anything similar but nothing close to what I remember.

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Jul 24, 2013 08:52:00   #
bkyser Loc: Fly over country in Indiana
 
Not a camera, but for short term, and if you can be wireless, stretch a condom over it and tie it tightly. I've used that old trick for a few things, and it does work, and they stretch incredibly far. (plus, you get lots of looks when you ask for the "jumbo size" at the pharmacy), just make sure they are non lubricated, and you don't need "ribs"

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Jul 24, 2013 08:54:41   #
PhotoStar Loc: Calgary, Alberta
 
Have a 312 led light panel, and a 580exii flash I'd like to submerge in shallow water/bowl, a bit big for the condom I'd say, but not something I would have thought about. A small flashlight maybe.

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Jul 24, 2013 09:24:19   #
JR1 Loc: Tavistock, Devon, UK
 
Do you have any idea of the capacitors voltage output to the flashtube,

NOT the trigger voltage, the voltage needed to make the "flash" in the tube, the capacitor raises the average 12v battery voltage to 240-260 volts and then turns that to say 3000v for the tube, that is why many guns halve the recycle time with a Quantum battery as it supplies a direct 240v to the gun.

Go on stich that in water

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Jul 24, 2013 11:01:40   #
PhotoStar Loc: Calgary, Alberta
 
Yes, I'm aware of that JR, being an electrician and electronics buff. Which is why it's especially important to seal those devices from any water. But no matter what there is always a risk factor and I hear you. I included flash in this scenario for the feedback of just this kind of thing. When we take chances to get our pictures, we need to know the possibilities of what can go wrong too. I've never done underwater or flash in the proximity of it but have read of photographers who have. They also found out the hard way, because they lost quite a few flashes in their attempts to pull it off.

But I think they found some clear waterproof bags in the end and double bagged it. My preference is the continuous led panel for the project I have in mind. Bubbling dry ice in a clear bowl simulating a caldron of steaming foam. With the clear bowl I can easily place any light under it but still sealed from water. Or small battery colored led inside a small jar or baggie inside the liquid.

Anyway, I'm thinking out loud and trying to plan what I have in my head, and sharing with Hedgehogs and asking for feedback. I know there are waterproof clear bags for photography use, but I haven't found them yet, because at the time I read about someone needing them, I never planned to do anything similar. Now I've gotten older, bolder, and maybe a bit too bored with the norm as to be crazier. But I'm not going to be stupid, if I can help it. Maybe its too late. I'm open to suggestions, ideas, and the hard learned follies others may have tried.

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Jul 24, 2013 11:11:43   #
Searcher Loc: Kent, England
 
PhotoStar wrote:
Yup, you read that right. I've been looking for something to put my flash and/or Led light panels in water for some experimenting with getting light in unusual places. Thought I had read that there were some water proof plastic bags you could get for just such a thing, even putting a camera in one for a short period. Am I bonkers, or just crazy? Did the search here to find anything similar but nothing close to what I remember.


I have used a VHF transmitter underwater using one of the bags on this website:
http://store.aquapac.net/explore-product-range/miscellaneous-electronics-cases/large-whanganui-fits-ipads-668.html
Expensive but they work
Also Amazon USA sell these bags
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_i_4_11?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=waterproof+bag&sprefix=waterproof+%2Caps%2C314

Be aware some RF frequencies do not work under water

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Jul 24, 2013 11:38:31   #
JR1 Loc: Tavistock, Devon, UK
 
PhotoStar wrote:
Yes, I'm aware of that JR, being an electrician and electronics buff. Which is why it's especially important to seal those devices from any water. But no matter what there is always a risk factor and I hear you. I included flash in this scenario for the feedback of just this kind of thing. When we take chances to get our pictures, we need to know the possibilities of what can go wrong too. I've never done underwater or flash in the proximity of it but have read of photographers who have. They also found out the hard way, because they lost quite a few flashes in their attempts to pull it off.

In fact I have and do submerge lights, here is what I use

GOOD quality waterproof food storage box, it has been to 20' with these

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/YONGNUO-YN-160-LED-Video-Light-with-Filters-for-Canon-Nikon-Camera-Camcorder-UK-/181092309495?pt=UK_Camera_Video_Lights&hash=item2a29f159f7
But I think they found some clear waterproof bags in the end and double bagged it. My preference is the continuous led panel for the project I have in mind. Bubbling dry ice in a clear bowl simulating a caldron of steaming foam. With the clear bowl I can easily place any light under it but still sealed from water. Or small battery colored led inside a small jar or baggie inside the liquid.

Anyway, I'm thinking out loud and trying to plan what I have in my head, and sharing with Hedgehogs and asking for feedback. I know there are waterproof clear bags for photography use, but I haven't found them yet, because at the time I read about someone needing them, I never planned to do anything similar. Now I've gotten older, bolder, and maybe a bit too bored with the norm as to be crazier. But I'm not going to be stupid, if I can help it. Maybe its too late. I'm open to suggestions, ideas, and the hard learned follies others may have tried.
Yes, I'm aware of that JR, being an electrician an... (show quote)



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Jul 24, 2013 12:57:59   #
PhotoStar Loc: Calgary, Alberta
 
I appreciate your reply JR, both the for the reminder about the high voltage of flash, and the the idea of using a well sealed food storage container. Had no idea it could be used so deep. I may find some of those smaller 160 led panels you linked too for the advantage of fitting into a smaller area. I don't think I'm going to have to submerge any of my equipment directly in liquid for what I'm planning to do, but I still want them protected from splash or spills.

I've heard that some photographers also use vacuum sealed bags to protect equipment from dust or moisture when traveling to areas that need it. This was only for lenses and bodies, but could apply to anything, then resealed when done the job with a heat sealer. Guess it all depends what one needs to do as to what is more applicable for the task. Thought that since we are on this topic, that one was worth passing on too. Interesting how photography is often about problem solving.

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Jul 24, 2013 13:43:07   #
Wall-E Loc: Phoenix, AZ
 
PhotoStar wrote:
Yes, I'm aware of that JR, being an electrician and electronics buff. Which is why it's especially important to seal those devices from any water. But no matter what there is always a risk factor and I hear you. I included flash in this scenario for the feedback of just this kind of thing. When we take chances to get our pictures, we need to know the possibilities of what can go wrong too. I've never done underwater or flash in the proximity of it but have read of photographers who have. They also found out the hard way, because they lost quite a few flashes in their attempts to pull it off.

But I think they found some clear waterproof bags in the end and double bagged it. My preference is the continuous led panel for the project I have in mind. Bubbling dry ice in a clear bowl simulating a caldron of steaming foam. With the clear bowl I can easily place any light under it but still sealed from water. Or small battery colored led inside a small jar or baggie inside the liquid.

Anyway, I'm thinking out loud and trying to plan what I have in my head, and sharing with Hedgehogs and asking for feedback. I know there are waterproof clear bags for photography use, but I haven't found them yet, because at the time I read about someone needing them, I never planned to do anything similar. Now I've gotten older, bolder, and maybe a bit too bored with the norm as to be crazier. But I'm not going to be stupid, if I can help it. Maybe its too late. I'm open to suggestions, ideas, and the hard learned follies others may have tried.
Yes, I'm aware of that JR, being an electrician an... (show quote)


Why are you wanting to submerge your gear?
Most images like you want are shot from outside something like a fish tank.

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Jul 24, 2013 14:38:23   #
JR1 Loc: Tavistock, Devon, UK
 
PhotoStar wrote:
I appreciate your reply JR, both the for the reminder about the high voltage of flash, and the the idea of using a well sealed food storage container. Had no idea it could be used so deep. I may find some of those smaller 160 led panels you linked too for the advantage of fitting into a smaller area. I don't think I'm going to have to submerge any of my equipment directly in liquid for what I'm planning to do, but I still want them protected from splash or spills.

I've heard that some photographers also use vacuum sealed bags to protect equipment from dust or moisture when traveling to areas that need it. This was only for lenses and bodies, but could apply to anything, then resealed when done the job with a heat sealer. Guess it all depends what one needs to do as to what is more applicable for the task. Thought that since we are on this topic, that one was worth passing on too. Interesting how photography is often about problem solving.
I appreciate your reply JR, both the for the remin... (show quote)


DON'T use bags the heat needs to dissipate a large box with room is better

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Jul 24, 2013 15:45:22   #
1stJedi Loc: Southern Orange County
 
Rather than go to all the trouble to waterproof your lighting and flash units, have you considered simply renting some underwater flash units from you favorite, local dive store?

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Jul 24, 2013 19:37:54   #
PhotoStar Loc: Calgary, Alberta
 
A very good idea if it comes down to needing a higher light output.

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Jul 24, 2013 21:14:05   #
DugE Loc: Windham, Maine
 
did you know that a pool store has sealed color lights for use in water?

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Jul 24, 2013 22:36:27   #
PhotoStar Loc: Calgary, Alberta
 
DugE wrote:
did you know that a pool store has sealed color lights for use in water?


Yes, and the ones I'm aware of need connecting to power, for any kind of output. Thank you for including it here as an option. And those require ground fault circuit protection to be safer. High voltage low current, or lower voltage high current, its still safer and cheaper to go in the direction being discussed I think. Unless there are a few more options in that pool line added in the last few years. High output led light is certainly becoming more and more prevalent. I'm not aware of every product out there, and while I've had more specialized training than many, there is so much I don't know. Thank you for the idea to check out, it will be interesting just to find out. Oh, and I'm retired and don't work for anyone any more, but don't tell my wife I said that.

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Jul 25, 2013 08:13:28   #
fotogk Loc: Tuftonboro, NH
 
How about dry bags and boxes they use in kayaking and white water rafting - I would have to consider the heat so it does not melt or weaken the bag.

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