Indiana Governor Trying to Get Zinn's Work Banned
Jul 21, 2013 12:25:50 #
This situation didn't just happen in North and Central and South America. It is the way of history and has been for thousands of years throughout the world.
Harvey wrote:
Heck - the whole North American Continent was stol... (show quote)
Jul 21, 2013 12:29:10 #
Two questions regarding the rhetorical question "Why not give your portion back." :
1) Which portion is my portion ? Is my portion my house and backyard or is it a little bit of turf in downtown Los Angeles ?
2) Can you imagine corporate America going along with such a plan ?
1) Which portion is my portion ? Is my portion my house and backyard or is it a little bit of turf in downtown Los Angeles ?
2) Can you imagine corporate America going along with such a plan ?
gmcase wrote:
Then why not give your portion back?
Jul 21, 2013 12:35:12 #
Richard94611 wrote:
Two questions regarding the rhetorical question "Why not give your portion back." :
1) Which portion is my portion ? Is my portion my house and backyard or is it a little bit of turf in downtown Los Angeles ?
2) Can you imagine corporate America going along with such a plan ?
1) Which portion is my portion ? Is my portion my house and backyard or is it a little bit of turf in downtown Los Angeles ?
2) Can you imagine corporate America going along with such a plan ?
You are the one pontificating about how we stole land so if you are so concerned be an example and give yours back. Simple concept.
Corporate America is not pontificating about it and no, I cannot imagine them pontificating about it. Who did the Mexicans steal the land from and who did the ones prior to the Mexicans steal it from? Are they beyond guilt because they aren't white? I think that is the underlying issue if people were honest enough to admit it.
Jul 21, 2013 12:51:11 #
gmcase, you are misinterpreting what I have been saying. I am not "pontificating." I am merely trying to set the historic record straight. Facts are facts. That the U.S. stole vast portions of that is now the Southwest is verifiable.
Nowhere have I stated that we should give the Southwest back to Mexico. My comments come from the fact that I made this statement in a thread a month or so ago and I got back an outpouring of blather from one of this mob about how the transfer of ownership was all fair and square.
If you are accosted on the street by a robber with a gun and he demands that you give him your watch or be shot, do you consider this transfer of property to be fair and square ? No. It is a robbery. That's what the situation with the Southwest amounted to when it happened.
Read what I have written and think, please. Simple concept.
Your last paragraph simply muddies the water. We are talking about history here, about verifiable events. We are not talking about motives.
My point was that corporate America would NEVER permit giving back the SouthWest to Mexico. Can you imagine the hoohaw that would arise should a strong voice suggest this ?
Nowhere have I stated that we should give the Southwest back to Mexico. My comments come from the fact that I made this statement in a thread a month or so ago and I got back an outpouring of blather from one of this mob about how the transfer of ownership was all fair and square.
If you are accosted on the street by a robber with a gun and he demands that you give him your watch or be shot, do you consider this transfer of property to be fair and square ? No. It is a robbery. That's what the situation with the Southwest amounted to when it happened.
Read what I have written and think, please. Simple concept.
Your last paragraph simply muddies the water. We are talking about history here, about verifiable events. We are not talking about motives.
My point was that corporate America would NEVER permit giving back the SouthWest to Mexico. Can you imagine the hoohaw that would arise should a strong voice suggest this ?
gmcase wrote:
You are the one pontificating about how we stole land so if you are so concerned be an example and give yours back. Simple concept.
Corporate America is not pontificating about it and no, I cannot imagine them pontificating about it. Who did the Mexicans steal the land from and who did the ones prior to the Mexicans steal it from? Are they beyond guilt because they aren't white? I think that is the underlying issue if people were honest enough to admit it.
Corporate America is not pontificating about it and no, I cannot imagine them pontificating about it. Who did the Mexicans steal the land from and who did the ones prior to the Mexicans steal it from? Are they beyond guilt because they aren't white? I think that is the underlying issue if people were honest enough to admit it.
Jul 21, 2013 13:28:03 #
That was my point about as far back as one can go in history-The best - most convenient resource book is the Old Testament.
I just happened to have the opportunity to study the Americas/Mexico while living there. I visited the Yucatan every year or so for 15 yrs and then lived there the first 5 yrs of my retirement. I studied State History in CA, ID & MT while in school in those states - then through life learning the truth from historical books.
I just happened to have the opportunity to study the Americas/Mexico while living there. I visited the Yucatan every year or so for 15 yrs and then lived there the first 5 yrs of my retirement. I studied State History in CA, ID & MT while in school in those states - then through life learning the truth from historical books.
Richard94611 wrote:
This situation didn't just happen in North and Central and South America. It is the way of history and has been for thousands of years throughout the world.
Jul 21, 2013 13:34:00 #
Richard94611 wrote:
Ha-ha-ha-ha-ha -- did that state really try to legislate the value of Pi as 3 ? I believe you, but I would love to have some kind of reference for that to use in other discussions.
It was in the 1890's maybe a little earlier. The Indiana State Math Department had to make a hurried trip to the State Capital to explain why it could not be done. We in in Illinois have never forgotten about it. Of course we have our own legislative problems.
Jul 21, 2013 13:55:49 #
Fascinating !
RDH wrote:
It was in the 1890's maybe a little earlier. The Indiana State Math Department had to make a hurried trip to the State Capital to explain why it could not be done. We in in Illinois have never forgotten about it. Of course we have our own legislative problems.
Jul 21, 2013 20:11:47 #
To answer the original, the problem is that we are talking about treading on the freedom of speech, and freedom of the press. I would consider what he is trying to do as treason. Ans if he gets away with it, it's the kind of thing you will only be able to read about in a book written by Zinn, or someone like him.
Jul 21, 2013 20:31:37 #
jstar wrote:
To answer the original, the problem is that we are talking about treading on the freedom of speech, and freedom of the press. I would consider what he is trying to do as treason. Ans if he gets away with it, it's the kind of thing you will only be able to read about in a book written by Zinn, or someone like him.
In substance I agree with you. Perhaps not treason, but something equally evil.
Jul 21, 2013 20:41:36 #
I find myself often pondering the use of the word treason in relation to what some politicians in both parties are doing. For instance, when a political party states that its main motive is to prevent a president from getting re-elected rather than their main motive being looking after the welfare of the nation, that might very well be treason. And when a president tramples on freedom of speech and privacy, those may be actionable criminal or civil offenses. But, you know, these people will never be brought to justice for these things.
RDH wrote:
In substance I agree with you. Perhaps not treason, but something equally evil.
Jul 21, 2013 23:15:20 #
RDH wrote:
They were just rounding it off. Richards point is not that we stole territory from Mexico, we did, but that the Governor of Indiana, Daniels, is trying to censer history. Of course this the same State that tried to legislate the value of Pi as three.
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Jul 22, 2013 00:23:51 #
Next thing you know, some federal legislators will try to round off social security payments to the lowest hundred, thus saving the taxpayers lots of money.
magicray wrote:
They were just rounding it off.
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Jul 22, 2013 01:02:04 #
magicray wrote:
They were just rounding it off.
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No rationalizing Pi so school kids would find it easier to use, or may be so they would.
Jul 26, 2013 19:48:14 #
Richard94611 wrote:
Ha-ha-ha-ha-ha -- did that state really try to legislate the value of Pi as 3 ? I believe you, but I would love to have some kind of reference for that to use in other discussions.
Actually, they did. Here is the link:
http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/805/did-a-state-legislature-once-pass-a-law-saying-pi-equals-3
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