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Jul 19, 2013 21:32:47   #
tlbuljac Loc: Oklahoma
 
Obama is a racist

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Jul 19, 2013 22:38:52   #
alaskan
 
RiverNan wrote:
just saw the speech on the news and here is my take...

He was trying to help the oblivious understand the black perspective on this issue...the possibility that a history of being looked at as subserviant prison fodder has given them a view that a white man might not have, and his own experience of being following around a department store because someone SUSPECTED that since he was black he might also be a thief.

But most important of all that if Travon was white and Martin black ....Travon MIGHT still be alive...

And I guess that for the most part RACISM continues to be an issue that US citizens must contend with.

I did not seeing him cry. And I wonder more about the general publics sense of outrage at the death of so many blacks a lot more then I wonder about Obamas.
just saw the speech on the news and here is my tak... (show quote)


Sorry but you do not make sense.I quote:"if Travon was white and Martin black....Travon MIGHT still be alive".Do we have a case of split personality here? It is enough the media created new white-hispanic race but by the same token president Obama is not called white-african american.Go figure.When the president said it could be him 35 years ago, does it mean Obama was running around beating up crazy a** crackers???

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Jul 20, 2013 05:37:17   #
RiverNan Loc: Eastern Pa
 
don't be sorry Alaskan...as I am sure you are not...let me be more clear or better yet...why not just let someone else clear it up for you.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ge7i60GuNRg

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Jul 20, 2013 05:40:37   #
Underwaterant
 
tlbuljac wrote:
Obama even went so far to say that 35 years ago it could have been him...too bad it wasn't


What a dickhead !!
He wouldn't say that if the story was about two people of the same colour.
Opportunist.
I never trusted obama from the day he was elected.
But I don't trust any, actually.

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Jul 20, 2013 05:45:27   #
cthahn
 
Obama job is to do something for this country, not to pick out an individual as he did here in Florida. All he has been doing is to fly around the world on his plush trips, trying to tell everyone else how to run their country, and allowing this country to be bought by the Chinese. He just cares about himself and getting votes.

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Jul 20, 2013 05:54:25   #
Twardlow Loc: Arkansas
 
MisterWilson wrote:



I wouldn't trust ANYTHING from that site.

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Jul 20, 2013 06:10:26   #
Wellhiem Loc: Sunny England.
 
This probably isn't reported to the same extent in the UK as it is in the US, and please don't think I'm being at all racist here, but if it had been a white kid, would it have got the same coverage? I'm asking out of interest, not because I have any agenda.

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Jul 20, 2013 06:17:45   #
fotkaman Loc: Earth
 
MisterWilson wrote:
Obama just decided to show up this afternoon at a news conference so he could voice his opinion on the aftermath of the jury decision on George Zimmerman.

Why would he feel the need to do this? I thought it was a case for Florida to handle.

Is this a forerunner of further federal involvement in the case?

I'll provide a link as soon as one is available.


Yes, sir, it definitely feels like a forerunner, indeed!

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Jul 20, 2013 06:21:47   #
sye Loc: The Old Dominion Near DC
 
cthahn wrote:
Obama job is to do something for this country, not to pick out an individual as he did here in Florida. All he has been doing is to fly around the world on his plush trips, trying to tell everyone else how to run their country, and allowing this country to be bought by the Chinese. He just cares about himself and getting votes.


You should be ashamed of yourself. I'm sure that all of those vacations that he has been taking in Hawaii on then public dime and on AF-1 are all important.

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Jul 20, 2013 06:53:20   #
Twardlow Loc: Arkansas
 
Wellhiem wrote:
This probably isn't reported to the same extent in the UK as it is in the US, and please don't think I'm being at all racist here, but if it had been a white kid, would it have got the same coverage? I'm asking out of interest, not because I have any agenda.




The issue is that GZ followed TM BECAUSE he was black.

He assumed TM was a thug because of the color of his skin; after that, everything moved smoothly to the murder.

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Jul 20, 2013 07:47:43   #
dixiemegapixel Loc: Salemburg, NC
 
Twardlow wrote:
The issue is that GZ followed TM BECAUSE he was black.

He assumed TM was a thug because of the color of his skin; after that, everything moved smoothly to the murder.


Why do you think they call it a "Neighborhood Watch" program? Didn't Zimmerman make a call to police to report suspicious activity (i.e., a stranger in his area of responsibility)?

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Jul 20, 2013 07:53:27   #
hj Loc: Florida
 
Twardlow wrote:
The issue is that GZ followed TM BECAUSE he was black.

He assumed TM was a thug because of the color of his skin; after that, everything moved smoothly to the murder.


Not quite! GZ followed TM because of the recent flurry of burglaries in the neighborhood. That's why a neighborhood watch functions. Interesting that YOU know GZ's attitude when he himself is a minority.

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Jul 20, 2013 07:57:22   #
nimbushopper Loc: Tampa, FL
 
O: I gave a preliminary statement right after the ruling on Sunday, but watching the debate over the course of the last week I thought it might be useful for me to expand on my thoughts a little bit.

A: In other words, there is more political capital to be squeezed out of Martin's death.

O: I want to make sure that, once again, I send my thoughts and prayers, as well as Michelle's, to the family of Trayvon Martin.

A: How about Obama offering thoughts and prayers to George Zimmerman and his family, whose lives Obama, et al., turned upside down by politicizing this case 16 months ago. Otherwise, there never would have been a trial as there was no basis for the charges -- and the jury and virtually every legal expert agree.

O: There are very few African-American men in this country who haven't had the experience of being followed when they were shopping in a department store. ... There are very few African-American men who haven't had the experience of walking across the street and hearing the locks click on the doors of cars. ... There are very few African-Americans who haven't had the experience of getting on an elevator and a woman clutching her purse nervously and holding her breath until she had a chance to get off.

A: Obama is referencing an unfortunate stereotype, unfortunate because that stereotype is well earned. Black males between the ages of 16 and 35 commit a grossly disproportionate share of crime across our nation. Until that changes, the stereotype profile will not change, nor should it. Most people of all races have decent instincts about threats to their person or property, and they respond accordingly. The problem is not that a particular demographic of our society is subject to increased scrutiny, the problem is that demographic has earned that scrutiny.

O: The African-American community is also knowledgeable that there is a history of racial disparities in the application of our criminal laws, everything from the death penalty to enforcement of our drug laws. And that ends up having an impact in terms of how people interpret the case.

A: The racial disparity in arrests and convictions of blacks is commensurate with the racial disparity of crimes committed by blacks. To suggest otherwise is flatly disingenuous.

O: Now, this isn't to say that the African-American community is naive about the fact that African-American young men are disproportionately involved in the criminal justice system, that they are disproportionately both victims and perpetrators of violence. It's not to make excuses for that fact, although black folks do interpret the reasons for that in a historical context.

A: They are not "disproportionately involved in the criminal justice system," they are disproportionately involved in crime. And then in the same sentence Obama suggests "it's not to make excuses," he asserts "historical context" as the excuse.




O: We understand that some of the violence that takes place in poor black neighborhoods around the country is born out of a very violent past in this country, and that the poverty and dysfunction that we see in those communities can be traced to a very difficult history.

A: Actually NOT. The "violence, poverty and dysfunction" can be traced to decades of liberal social policy, which created the urban poverty plantations upon which generations of poor blacks have been enslaved, and which have become breeding grounds for an unprecedented culture of violence besetting our whole nation.

O: Now, the question for me at least, and I think, for a lot of folks is, where do we take this?

A: Apparently, to the political bank.

O: I think it's important for people to have some clear expectations here. Traditionally, these are issues of state and local government -- the criminal code. And law enforcement has traditionally done it at the state and local levels, not at the federal levels.

A: Then why did Obama federalize the case in the first place? Obviously he thought they would win this case. Now, he is attempting to punt the blame back to "the state and local levels."

O: Number one, precisely because law enforcement is often determined at the state and local level, I think it'd be productive for the Justice Department, governors [and] mayors to work with law enforcement about training at the state and local levels in order to reduce the kind of mistrust in the system that sometimes currently exists.

A: But Obama and his NeoCom cadres fomented the distrust in this case, as they do with every political opening -- and to suggest now that he will step in with training to correct the situation is arrogant and ludicrous. We already know that Obama thinks police "act stupidly."

O: I think it would be useful for us to examine some state and local laws to see if they are designed in such a way that they may encourage the kinds of altercations and confrontations and tragedies that we saw in the Florida case, rather than diffuse potential altercations.

A: Florida's "stand your ground" law, as well as those of 22 other states, do not encourage tragedies, they prevent them.

O: I just ask people to consider if Trayvon Martin was of age and armed, could he have stood his ground on that sidewalk?

A: No. Zimmerman did not attack Martin. Martin attacked Zimmerman, case closed. And for the record, more blacks, as a percentage of the population in Florida, have invoked the "stand your ground" defense than whites or Hispanics -- or even "white Hispanics."



O: We need to spend some time in thinking about how do we bolster and reinforce our African-American boys? There are a lot of kids out there who need help who are getting a lot of negative reinforcement. And is there more that we can do to give them the sense that their country cares about them and values them and is willing to invest in them?

A: The best place to start would be to reverse the liberal social policies that created the problem.

O: Finally, I think it's going to be important for all of us to do some soul-searching.

A: Start with your own soul, Obama, if you haven't completely sold it out.

O: You know, there has been talk about should we convene a conversation on race. I haven't seen that be particularly productive when politicians try to organize conversations. They end up being stilted and politicized, and folks are locked into the positions they already have.

A: Obama launched the Zimmerman/Martin "conversation on race" so on this point, he is correct.

O: Finally, ask yourself ... am I wringing as much bias out of myself as I can; am I judging people, as much as I can, based on not the color of their skin but the content of their character? That would, I think, be an appropriate exercise in the wake of this tragedy.

A: This from the titular head of the Democrat Party, which has turned Martin Luther King's challenge about color and character upside down. Indeed, for Obama and the Left, color trumps character.

Pro Deo et Constitutione — Libertas aut Mors
Semper Vigilo, Fortis, Paratus et Fidelis

Mark Alexander
Publisher, The Patriot Post

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Jul 20, 2013 07:58:53   #
Treepusher Loc: Kingston, Massachusetts
 
I'm old enough to remember when the President of the United States was a man to be respected, a man who believed in the rule of law. You might not always agree with him or his politics, but you always knew he loved America and wanted what was best for her.

I guess we got the 'Change' that was advertised. But I sure don't see any Hope.

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Jul 20, 2013 08:09:31   #
hj Loc: Florida
 
RiverNan wrote:
just saw the speech on the news and here is my take...

He was trying to help the oblivious understand the black perspective on this issue...the possibility that a history of being looked at as subserviant prison fodder has given them a view that a white man might not have, and his own experience of being following around a department store because someone SUSPECTED that since he was black he might also be a thief.

But most important of all that if Travon was white and Martin black ....Travon MIGHT still be alive...

And I guess that for the most part RACISM continues to be an issue that US citizens must contend with.

I did not seeing him cry. And I wonder more about the general publics sense of outrage at the death of so many blacks a lot more then I wonder about Obamas.
just saw the speech on the news and here is my tak... (show quote)


From Patrick J. Buchanan:

As for racism, its ugliest manifestation is in interracial crime, and especially interracial crimes of violence. Is Barack Obama aware that while white criminals choose black victims 3 percent of the time, black criminals choose white victims 45 percent of the time?

Is Barack aware that black-on-white rapes are 100 times more common than the reverse, that black-on-white robberies were 139 times as common in the first three years of this decade as the reverse?

We have all heard ad nauseam from the Rev. Al about Tawana Brawley, the Duke rape case and Jena . And all turned out to be hoaxes. BUT ABOUT THE EPIDEMIC OF BLACK ASSAULTS ON WHITES THAT ARE REAL, WE HEAR NOTHING.

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