Battery problems
Nov 27, 2011 12:01:06 #
Hi,
I replaced an old battery w/ a new one (LI-10B) for and old
C-765 Olympus.The new battery worked fine and then I charged
it and now the battery is dead right after the charge,is the camera going bad or do I have another problem?
I replaced an old battery w/ a new one (LI-10B) for and old
C-765 Olympus.The new battery worked fine and then I charged
it and now the battery is dead right after the charge,is the camera going bad or do I have another problem?
Nov 27, 2011 13:18:46 #
Nov 27, 2011 15:23:12 #
I don't think I did.I just tried to charge it again and it seems to be holding the charge now..
Nov 28, 2011 06:52:59 #
Positive Fun Facts: Lithium is one of the lightest elements and it is the most electronegative of all elements. So lithium batteries are very light, have a high output voltage, great capacity for their volume, and a low self-discharge rate (they don't go dead all by themselves if you leave them in a drawer for a month and don't use them).
Gruesome, Depressing No-Fun Facts About The International Lithium Battery Industry:
Here is the #1 dirty little secret of (metallic) lithium, lithium ion (Li Ion) and lithium polymer batteries (what most people call "batteries" are actually cells in most cases and not batteries at all. just like cannons, you have to have more than one cell to have a battery. A lithium cell puts out about 4 of them V's so if the V is higher than 4, its a battery and not a cell.): such batteries are conservatively rated for only 300 to 500 deep-discharge/re-charge cycles before they poop out. And over that short useful life, the battery's capacity will drop to 70% to 50% of the capacity of a new battery.
In other words, if you keep and use a battery powered device for any length of time, you will have to replace the battery. (Check your Apple product and see if you can find a battery compartment which you can open to replace the battery yourself!)
Here is the dirty BIG secret of how the world-wide battery industry actually works. Virtually all the lithium batteries are manufactured in China, Japan and Korea. Most of these batteries are produced for the production runs (and only the production runs) for products from high-volume-producing major brands of portable electronics such as Sony, Apple, HP, Nokia, Motorola, and others, not by the major brands themselves, but by anonymous contract job shops. The major brands outsourced much of their production to contract manufacturers years ago, and batteries were among the first components to be outsourced. In other words, even though a product has a major brand's logo on it, there is not much chance that the major brand actually has a factory that made that product.
There are over 100 manufacturers of Li-ion batteries in China alone. But only few of them have significant capacity, and even fewer have production contracts for the major brands. Most of them scrape by producing knock-off batteries that they reverse engineer, or - even worse! - by packaging rejected cells that the larger manufacturers sell off cheap (instead of disposing of them in an ecologically sound fashion) into batteries. Yow!
Unfortunately, most replacement batteries for products fall into this latter category. It is a dirty little secret of the battery industry that much of what is produced is of substandard quality. And guess what, if you have the right-sized, and actually quite inexpensive, electronic component called a "resistor" and a meter that measures them V's (V is the metric system abbreviation for volts) called a voltmeter (DUH!), you can easily tell if a battery is substandard or not AFTER you buy it with a simple, two-minute test. Otherwise, you are on your own! And good luck to you all! (Oddly enough, the best brand of voltmeter is made by Fluke. That is, if its a good meter, it's a fluke!)
The largest manufacturers in China do most of the production. Their batteries are carefully vetted and certified by the major brands for whom they produce. Just for starters, these better factories have to pass something called "ISO 9000 certification" before the major brands will even consider them. ISO (ISO stands for International Standards Organization and only of their many, many international standards relates to cameras so those of you who think ISO has something to do with cameras, you are right but not totally right). Good luck on finding out whether the actual maker of a battery is ISO 9000 or not! In addition to looking for ISO 9000 certification, professional component engineers at the major brands certify the factories, in person themselves, before awarding a production contract. The contract factory makes the batteries, places the brand's logo on the products, then ships them to the brands for inclusion with new cell phones, computers, cameras and other products.
The fly in the oinkment here is that when the major brand stops selling a particular model, production of certified batteries shifts to new models as well. Therefore it can be very difficult for people to find a quality replacement battery for their products, even though they are not that old because, the ostensible maker (i.e., major brand) might not be able to supply a certified replacement battery simply because no new ones are being made! So they might sell you a replacement battery, at the OEM price of course, that is be a cruddy knock off! Who knows? I don't know.
I have one idea about what to do about this situation. I always buy a new car when its ashtray gets full or its oil needs changing (which ever comes first). So I guess the thing to do is junk all your perfectly good battery powered device and get the latest greatest model in order to get a new battery. That sort of stinks, doesn't it? Or its a good excuse to be a gadget freak. It could go either way.
Gruesome, Depressing No-Fun Facts About The International Lithium Battery Industry:
Here is the #1 dirty little secret of (metallic) lithium, lithium ion (Li Ion) and lithium polymer batteries (what most people call "batteries" are actually cells in most cases and not batteries at all. just like cannons, you have to have more than one cell to have a battery. A lithium cell puts out about 4 of them V's so if the V is higher than 4, its a battery and not a cell.): such batteries are conservatively rated for only 300 to 500 deep-discharge/re-charge cycles before they poop out. And over that short useful life, the battery's capacity will drop to 70% to 50% of the capacity of a new battery.
In other words, if you keep and use a battery powered device for any length of time, you will have to replace the battery. (Check your Apple product and see if you can find a battery compartment which you can open to replace the battery yourself!)
Here is the dirty BIG secret of how the world-wide battery industry actually works. Virtually all the lithium batteries are manufactured in China, Japan and Korea. Most of these batteries are produced for the production runs (and only the production runs) for products from high-volume-producing major brands of portable electronics such as Sony, Apple, HP, Nokia, Motorola, and others, not by the major brands themselves, but by anonymous contract job shops. The major brands outsourced much of their production to contract manufacturers years ago, and batteries were among the first components to be outsourced. In other words, even though a product has a major brand's logo on it, there is not much chance that the major brand actually has a factory that made that product.
There are over 100 manufacturers of Li-ion batteries in China alone. But only few of them have significant capacity, and even fewer have production contracts for the major brands. Most of them scrape by producing knock-off batteries that they reverse engineer, or - even worse! - by packaging rejected cells that the larger manufacturers sell off cheap (instead of disposing of them in an ecologically sound fashion) into batteries. Yow!
Unfortunately, most replacement batteries for products fall into this latter category. It is a dirty little secret of the battery industry that much of what is produced is of substandard quality. And guess what, if you have the right-sized, and actually quite inexpensive, electronic component called a "resistor" and a meter that measures them V's (V is the metric system abbreviation for volts) called a voltmeter (DUH!), you can easily tell if a battery is substandard or not AFTER you buy it with a simple, two-minute test. Otherwise, you are on your own! And good luck to you all! (Oddly enough, the best brand of voltmeter is made by Fluke. That is, if its a good meter, it's a fluke!)
The largest manufacturers in China do most of the production. Their batteries are carefully vetted and certified by the major brands for whom they produce. Just for starters, these better factories have to pass something called "ISO 9000 certification" before the major brands will even consider them. ISO (ISO stands for International Standards Organization and only of their many, many international standards relates to cameras so those of you who think ISO has something to do with cameras, you are right but not totally right). Good luck on finding out whether the actual maker of a battery is ISO 9000 or not! In addition to looking for ISO 9000 certification, professional component engineers at the major brands certify the factories, in person themselves, before awarding a production contract. The contract factory makes the batteries, places the brand's logo on the products, then ships them to the brands for inclusion with new cell phones, computers, cameras and other products.
The fly in the oinkment here is that when the major brand stops selling a particular model, production of certified batteries shifts to new models as well. Therefore it can be very difficult for people to find a quality replacement battery for their products, even though they are not that old because, the ostensible maker (i.e., major brand) might not be able to supply a certified replacement battery simply because no new ones are being made! So they might sell you a replacement battery, at the OEM price of course, that is be a cruddy knock off! Who knows? I don't know.
I have one idea about what to do about this situation. I always buy a new car when its ashtray gets full or its oil needs changing (which ever comes first). So I guess the thing to do is junk all your perfectly good battery powered device and get the latest greatest model in order to get a new battery. That sort of stinks, doesn't it? Or its a good excuse to be a gadget freak. It could go either way.
Nov 28, 2011 20:20:53 #
Sounds like you didn't have a solid connection. that would mean your battery was not really charged. One important note on batteries, don't leave them in the charger, for extended periods of time.
Nov 29, 2011 00:14:37 #
Sensei wrote:
Sounds like you didn't have a solid connection. that would mean your battery was not really charged. One important note on batteries, don't leave them in the charger, for extended periods of time.
Sensei, yes I think u got it right.Thanx again everybody for the help !
Nov 29, 2011 01:05:49 #
charlessmall18: I enjoyed your depressing dissertation, particularly the fly in the 'oinkment'. Given the exceptional shelf life of the lithium batteries, would a solution be to purchase a bunch of spares from the camera mfg. while the model is current? That way they would have their quality assured by the mfg.
Or buy several spare ashtrays for your car at the time of original purchase...huh?
Or buy several spare ashtrays for your car at the time of original purchase...huh?
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