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Jul 14, 2013 18:44:00   #
nekon Loc: Carterton, New Zealand
 
There is some confusion on whether to use circular polarizers, or linear ones-they are both circular in shape but they polarize the light passing through them in different ways, You may have read that linear polarizers interfere with auto-focus systems, but as the following explains, the effect is negligable.

The problem is that the percentage of light that is reflected to the focus screen can vary slightly depending on its polarization. Since most cameras meter off of the focus screen image, that can have a small effect on the metering.

Beam-splitters reflect a different percentage of the incoming light depending on the polarization of that light. With a linear polarizer, the light reaching the beam-splitter (viewing mirror) is still polarized, and the direction of the polarization depends on how you have the filter adjusted.

So you see the problem: adjusting the linear polarizing filter will change the percentage of light reflected to the view screen, which in turn will affect the in-camera metering.

But! The difference in the percentage that gets reflected is fairly low for beam-splitters built using an aluminium reflective coating, which is pretty much every SLR or DSLR beam-splitter ever made. It's probably less than 1/3 stop in most cases. Most people will never notice this difference.

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Jul 14, 2013 19:02:16   #
TucsonCoyote Loc: Tucson AZ
 
nekon wrote:
You may have read that linear polarizers interfere with auto-focus systems, but as the following explains, the effect is negligable.
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Most people will never notice this difference.


Now I see what this is all about...the usual....you know, bottom line for polarizer lens makers!

Thanks for the info nekon! :)

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Jul 14, 2013 19:32:40   #
busted_shutter
 
Waiting for the impending fallout!

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Jul 14, 2013 19:34:46   #
LoneRangeFinder Loc: Left field
 
nekon wrote:
There is some confusion on whether to use circular polarizers, or linear ones-they are both circular in shape but they polarize the light passing through them in different ways, You may have read that linear polarizers interfere with auto-focus systems, but as the following explains, the effect is negligable.

The problem is that the percentage of light that is reflected to the focus screen can vary slightly depending on its polarization. Since most cameras meter off of the focus screen image, that can have a small effect on the metering.

Beam-splitters reflect a different percentage of the incoming light depending on the polarization of that light. With a linear polarizer, the light reaching the beam-splitter (viewing mirror) is still polarized, and the direction of the polarization depends on how you have the filter adjusted.

So you see the problem: adjusting the linear polarizing filter will change the percentage of light reflected to the view screen, which in turn will affect the in-camera metering.

But! The difference in the percentage that gets reflected is fairly low for beam-splitters built using an aluminium reflective coating, which is pretty much every SLR or DSLR beam-splitter ever made. It's probably less than 1/3 stop in most cases. Most people will never notice this difference.
There is some confusion on whether to use circular... (show quote)


I believe there is also some interruption of AF?

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Jul 14, 2013 21:48:37   #
nekon Loc: Carterton, New Zealand
 
LoneRangeFinder wrote:
I believe there is also some interruption of AF?


as stated in original, "You may have read that linear polarizers interfere with auto-focus (AF)systems, but as the following explains, the effect is negligable.:

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Jul 14, 2013 23:22:00   #
BHC Loc: Strawberry Valley, JF, USA
 
nekon wrote:
as stated in original, "You may have read that linear polarizers interfere with auto-focus (AF)systems, but as the following explains, the effect is negligable.:

Thank you for this information. Could you please cite the reference for your post; I would like to add it to a databank I maintain referencing such data.

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Jul 14, 2013 23:47:11   #
Nikonian72 Loc: Chico CA
 
More than you ever wanted to know about Circular Polarizing filters:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polarizer#Circular_polarizers

"There are two types of polarizing filters readily available, linear and "circular", which have exactly the same effect photographically. But the metering and auto-focus sensors in certain cameras, including virtually all auto-focus SLRs, will not work properly with linear polarizers because the beam splitters used to split off the light for focusing and metering are polarization-dependent. Linearly-polarized light may also defeat the action of the Anti-aliasing filter (Low-pass filter) on the imaging sensor.

'Circular' polarizing photographic filters consist of a linear polarizer on the front, with a quarter-wave plate on the back. The quarter-wave plate converts the selected polarization to circularly polarized light inside the camera. This works with all types of cameras, because mirrors and beam-splitters split circularly polarized light the same way they split unpolarized light". per Norman Goldberg (1992). Camera Technology: The Dark Side of the Lens. Academic Press. pp. 141–147. ISBN 978-0-12-287570-0.

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Jul 15, 2013 00:18:54   #
LoneRangeFinder Loc: Left field
 
nekon wrote:
as stated in original, "You may have read that linear polarizers interfere with auto-focus (AF)systems, but as the following explains, the effect is negligable.:


Source?

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Jul 15, 2013 01:25:45   #
nekon Loc: Carterton, New Zealand
 
LoneRangeFinder wrote:
Source?


Experience-I have used both circular and linear polarizers on my D200 with no auto focus problems, and I have contacted a friend who is a qualified camera mechanic, used to work foe H.Perry here in New Zealand

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Jul 15, 2013 01:39:42   #
BHC Loc: Strawberry Valley, JF, USA
 
nekon wrote:
Experience-I have used both circular and linear polarizers on my D200 with no auto focus problems, and I have contacted a friend who is a qualified camera mechanic, used to work foe H.Perry here in New Zealand


Thank you.

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Jul 15, 2013 06:57:17   #
photocat Loc: Atlanta, Ga
 
I know of several folks who have done serious testing with both , with the same results. No difference.

One being Jon Greenbro who is Art Wolfe"s assistant and educator on Creative Life

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Jul 15, 2013 09:30:42   #
LoneRangeFinder Loc: Left field
 
nekon wrote:
Experience-I have used both circular and linear polarizers on my D200 with no auto focus problems, and I have contacted a friend who is a qualified camera mechanic, used to work foe H.Perry here in New Zealand


OK.

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Jul 15, 2013 11:51:56   #
speters Loc: Grangeville/Idaho
 
nekon wrote:
There is some confusion on whether to use circular polarizers, or linear ones-they are both circular in shape but they polarize the light passing through them in different ways, You may have read that linear polarizers interfere with auto-focus systems, but as the following explains, the effect is negligable.

The problem is that the percentage of light that is reflected to the focus screen can vary slightly depending on its polarization. Since most cameras meter off of the focus screen image, that can have a small effect on the metering.

Beam-splitters reflect a different percentage of the incoming light depending on the polarization of that light. With a linear polarizer, the light reaching the beam-splitter (viewing mirror) is still polarized, and the direction of the polarization depends on how you have the filter adjusted.

So you see the problem: adjusting the linear polarizing filter will change the percentage of light reflected to the view screen, which in turn will affect the in-camera metering.

But! The difference in the percentage that gets reflected is fairly low for beam-splitters built using an aluminium reflective coating, which is pretty much every SLR or DSLR beam-splitter ever made. It's probably less than 1/3 stop in most cases. Most people will never notice this difference.
There is some confusion on whether to use circular... (show quote)

That might be true, but it affects different AF systems in different ways, and in some cases throw it off completely. So it is good advice to stay away from linear pol-filters for that reason.

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Jul 15, 2013 14:33:30   #
wingincamera Loc: Spanaway, Washington
 
Just a thought. If you already have a good linear polarizer and use it with a internal focusing lens, couldn't you frame & focus the shot without the polarizer on the lens, then screw on the polarizer and take the photo?

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Jul 15, 2013 15:06:39   #
LoneRangeFinder Loc: Left field
 
wingincamera wrote:
Just a thought. If you already have a good linear polarizer and use it with a internal focusing lens, couldn't you frame & focus the shot without the polarizer on the lens, then screw on the polarizer and take the photo?


You are way too logical....

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