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Jul 4, 2013 09:25:18   #
Jim S Loc: Barrington RI, DC now Hilton Head,
 
Am I correct or not. Picture Control alters the values when shooting in RAW but there is no "Sharpening", "Contrast" alterations, or changes in "Brightness", "Saturation", or "Hue" .

So any changes made in the shooting menu subset to the Picture Control you choose does nothing.

All alterations occur in PP =- correct?

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Jul 4, 2013 09:42:59   #
BigBear Loc: Northern CT
 
Exposure can be altered some (over exposed or blown out areas can't be restored), Focus and ISO cannot be changed at all in PP.

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Jul 4, 2013 10:14:31   #
Jim S Loc: Barrington RI, DC now Hilton Head,
 
BigBear wrote:
Exposure can be altered some (over exposed or blown out areas can't be restored), Focus and ISO cannot be changed at all in PP.


I know that. Was asking about Picture Control subsets - do they or don't they have any effect. I believe they do not when shooting in RAW.

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Jul 4, 2013 10:30:39   #
Photosmoke
 
Jim S wrote:
I know that. Was asking about Picture Control subsets - do they or don't they have any effect. I believe they do not when shooting in RAW.


they do not

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Jul 4, 2013 10:32:09   #
Jim S Loc: Barrington RI, DC now Hilton Head,
 
Photosmoke wrote:
they do not


Thanks - that is what I thought and then had a brain fart or old timers disease set in.

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Jul 4, 2013 10:49:42   #
Alexb1949
 
Jim S is correct, they do not.

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Jul 4, 2013 11:56:34   #
Jim S Loc: Barrington RI, DC now Hilton Head,
 
Thanks everyone for helping me extract my head from my butt

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Jul 5, 2013 09:29:11   #
big-guy Loc: Peterborough Ontario Canada
 
A quick reminder that you can not view raw files directly unless you like looking at 1's and 0's. (remember the movie The Matrix and the scrolling RAW data down the screen) so the camera will cook a small JPG thumbnail so you get an idea. The thumbnail shows you what the camera thinks it should be following the settings on your camera. So if you had chosen a tungsten white balance then that is what the thumbnail will show. The actual RAW file has no such settings applied to it and awaits your artistic hand in PP. Hope this helps.

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Jul 5, 2013 09:40:46   #
davidrb Loc: Half way there on the 45th Parallel
 
:mrgreen: If one shoots in RAW they might get chilled on a cool night! :oops: :oops: :oops:

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Jul 5, 2013 10:36:28   #
One Jughead Loc: Greene County, OH
 
Jim S wrote:
Thanks - that is what I thought and then had a brain fart or old timers disease set in.


That isn't old timers disease it is Sometimers!!

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Jul 5, 2013 10:39:38   #
peterg Loc: Santa Rosa, CA
 
Jim S wrote:
So any changes made in the shooting menu subset to the Picture Control you choose does nothing.

I use a Nikon and post process with Nikon Capture NX2.

Ben Long's "Nikon Capture NX2" book says:
"With Picture Control you can define different processing schemes that get applied to your images when shooting JPEG. If you choose a Picture Control when shooting raw, then you camera will note in the file that you selected that Picture Control. When you open the image in NX2, the Picture Control will automatically be selected, and NX2 will process your image accordingly."

To me this means the picture part of Nikon's "NEF" raw file is unmodified. However, the NEF raw file has additional Picture Control info, which Capture NX2 applies. In Capture NX2's "Edit List" there is a Picture Control area. This area shows the applied Picture Controls from the camera, which I can change.

Example: In my camera, I choose "Monochrome". When imported into Capture NX2, the image is initially displayed in black & white. In Capture NX2, I change the Picture Control to "Neutral" and almost all changes to the raw file are removed. (See Nikon Manual for Picture Control details.)

For White Balance, which is not part of Nikon's Picture Control, processing is similar. Ben Long says "Even though your camera doesn't perform any white balance adjustments when shooting in raw mode, it does store the white balance settings in the images's EXIF information. Your raw converter, in turn, reads this setting and uses it as the initial white balance setting. You can adjust the white balance from there."

Different raw converters and post processing applications may handle Nikon NEF files differently. Similarly, other raw files, raw converters and PP applications may be different.

Cheers

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Jul 5, 2013 18:44:27   #
Gramps Loc: Republic of Tejas--Tomball, TX
 
Jim S wrote:
Am I correct or not. Picture Control alters the values when shooting in RAW but there is no "Sharpening", "Contrast" alterations, or changes in "Brightness", "Saturation", or "Hue" .

So any changes made in the shooting menu subset to the Picture Control you choose does nothing.

All alterations occur in PP =- correct?


Had an orthopedist who asked me, "Does it hurt when you do that?" and I answered, "Yes". Told me:
"Then don't do that"
I've found this also pretty good advice in photography---think about it.

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Jul 5, 2013 18:47:19   #
Jim S Loc: Barrington RI, DC now Hilton Head,
 
peterg wrote:
I use a Nikon and post process with Nikon Capture NX2.

Ben Long's "Nikon Capture NX2" book says:
"With Picture Control you can define different processing schemes that get applied to your images when shooting JPEG. If you choose a Picture Control when shooting raw, then you camera will note in the file that you selected that Picture Control. When you open the image in NX2, the Picture Control will automatically be selected, and NX2 will process your image accordingly."

Great info - Thanks

To me this means the picture part of Nikon's "NEF" raw file is unmodified. However, the NEF raw file has additional Picture Control info, which Capture NX2 applies. In Capture NX2's "Edit List" there is a Picture Control area. This area shows the applied Picture Controls from the camera, which I can change.

Example: In my camera, I choose "Monochrome". When imported into Capture NX2, the image is initially displayed in black & white. In Capture NX2, I change the Picture Control to "Neutral" and almost all changes to the raw file are removed. (See Nikon Manual for Picture Control details.)

For White Balance, which is not part of Nikon's Picture Control, processing is similar. Ben Long says "Even though your camera doesn't perform any white balance adjustments when shooting in raw mode, it does store the white balance settings in the images's EXIF information. Your raw converter, in turn, reads this setting and uses it as the initial white balance setting. You can adjust the white balance from there."

Different raw converters and post processing applications may handle Nikon NEF files differently. Similarly, other raw files, raw converters and PP applications may be different.

Cheers
I use a Nikon and post process with Nikon Capture ... (show quote)

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Jul 5, 2013 18:48:26   #
Jim S Loc: Barrington RI, DC now Hilton Head,
 
peterg wrote:
I use a Nikon and post process with Nikon Capture NX2.

Ben Long's "Nikon Capture NX2" book says:
"With Picture Control you can define different processing schemes that get applied to your images when shooting JPEG. If you choose a Picture Control when shooting raw, then you camera will note in the file that you selected that Picture Control. When you open the image in NX2, the Picture Control will automatically be selected, and NX2 will process your image accordingly."

One more time - Thanks - great info and I was wondering how that happened and what the relationship actually was.

To me this means the picture part of Nikon's "NEF" raw file is unmodified. However, the NEF raw file has additional Picture Control info, which Capture NX2 applies. In Capture NX2's "Edit List" there is a Picture Control area. This area shows the applied Picture Controls from the camera, which I can change.

Example: In my camera, I choose "Monochrome". When imported into Capture NX2, the image is initially displayed in black & white. In Capture NX2, I change the Picture Control to "Neutral" and almost all changes to the raw file are removed. (See Nikon Manual for Picture Control details.)

For White Balance, which is not part of Nikon's Picture Control, processing is similar. Ben Long says "Even though your camera doesn't perform any white balance adjustments when shooting in raw mode, it does store the white balance settings in the images's EXIF information. Your raw converter, in turn, reads this setting and uses it as the initial white balance setting. You can adjust the white balance from there."

Different raw converters and post processing applications may handle Nikon NEF files differently. Similarly, other raw files, raw converters and PP applications may be different.

Cheers
I use a Nikon and post process with Nikon Capture ... (show quote)

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Jul 5, 2013 21:31:23   #
marcomarks Loc: Ft. Myers, FL
 
Jim S wrote:
Thanks everyone for helping me extract my head from my butt



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