Buckwheat,
There were mistakes made here, but maybe not the mistakes that you and others might think. I have worked with a number of models over the years, including Model Mayhem models. There is one absolute rule that I have, and I never break this rule on a first shoot with a model. I require that the model bring a chaperone with her. Also, I alway work with an assistant. This is done for the model's and the photographer's protection, until you get to know someone.
When I do outdoor location shoots, there are certain things that I alway have with me. One of those things is a large white sheet (think diffusion). While it is true that you are not going to get great lighing mid-day, you can diffuse and even that light out for tight portraits. And, if you had conducted this first shoot on a smart and professional basis, you have two extra people to hold the white sheet where it is needed. . .her chaperone and your assistant.
The other mistake that you made, and I hope have now learned from this mistake is never shoot straight on and down the nose like this. This kind of pose will make any nose look too big and out of "sorts". Turn her one way or the other off of the direct head-on shot. . .and repeat after me at least 100 times: "Chin up". Change up the 3/4 off center from left and then to the right. Everyone has a "best side", and if you have not worked with her before, shoot both, and figure it out after the fact.
You want good images. The model wants good images. She needs your expert direction, and you need her charm and grace.
My last comment has to do with the question that no one seems to be asking. Did you take this model out to the desert and only take this one image? Where are the others. How did they turn out? Is the model pleased with any of the images? Make sure you give her all of the good images on a disk, completely processed and saved both in .jpeg and in .tiff formats. If you now have some idea of what you did wrong, contact her and be honest and up front. Tell her that you are learning, and that you have learned a bunch from the first shoot, and you would really like to shoot with her again so that YOU can give to HER better images for her book that she most certainly deserves. Make a friend, network, and understand that what she says on Model Mayhem can get you other models, or cause you to have serious problems getting models to work with you.
mooseeyes wrote:
Buckwheat,
There were mistakes made here, but maybe not the mistakes that you and others might think. I have worked with a number of models over the years, including Model Mayhem models. There is one absolute rule that I have, and I never break this rule on a first shoot with a model. I require that the model bring a chaperone with her. Also, I alway work with an assistant. This is done for the model's and the photographer's protection, until you get to know someone.
When I do outdoor location shoots, there are certain things that I alway have with me. One of those things is a large white sheet (think diffusion). While it is true that you are not going to get great lighing mid-day, you can diffuse and even that light out for tight portraits. And, if you had conducted this first shoot on a smart and professional basis, you have two extra people to hold the white sheet where it is needed. . .her chaperone and your assistant.
The other mistake that you made, and I hope have now learned from this mistake is never shoot straight on and down the nose like this. This kind of pose will make any nose look too big and out of "sorts". Turn her one way or the other off of the direct head-on shot. . .and repeat after me at least 100 times: "Chin up". Change up the 3/4 off center from left and then to the right. Everyone has a "best side", and if you have not worked with her before, shoot both, and figure it out after the fact.
You want good images. The model wants good images. She needs your expert direction, and you need her charm and grace.
My last comment has to do with the question that no one seems to be asking. Did you take this model out to the desert and only take this one image? Where are the others. How did they turn out? Is the model pleased with any of the images? Make sure you give her all of the good images on a disk, completely processed and saved both in .jpeg and in .tiff formats. If you now have some idea of what you did wrong, contact her and be honest and up front. Tell her that you are learning, and that you have learned a bunch from the first shoot, and you would really like to shoot with her again so that YOU can give to HER better images for her book that she most certainly deserves. Make a friend, network, and understand that what she says on Model Mayhem can get you other models, or cause you to have serious problems getting models to work with you.
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Well stated. The model is more at ease with a BFF present and it helps if the BFF knows hair and makeup. That model may have been inexperienced and thought the photos were great but as soon as she shows them around her opinion will change.
That's one solution for the nose....make it go away!!!
RMM wrote:
That poor girl...
This all exemplifies that regardless of what PP is available it's best to get it right in camera
Removed some of the shadows and decreased size of the nose just a little.
does this help?
See if this helps...
here's my fix for you to see
I used portrait professional also. I didn't change her face shape, left it as it was.
marcomarks wrote:
An attempt using Portrait Professional and LR4. I should have smoothed the skin on her collar bones too.
Bozsik wrote:
You need to do a reshoot, but here is another attempt. I am recoverying from a shoulder surgery and I can't use my right arm for photographing, so I thought I could play around with this.
Thanks for giving me something to do for a few minutes. Being imobilized is driving me crazy though.
Well done Bozsik, you have done well with this photo :thumbup:
buckwheat wrote:
A while back I asked about any experience with Model Mayhem. I received several replies, and I thank you. I met a young lady and we did an outside shoot in the desert, and you can see my problem. I did not have an assistant, I did not have reflectors, and I did not use fill flash. Now that we know the original mistakes I made, does anyone have any post processing suggestions to alter the highlight/shadow that makes her nose look like Jimmy Durante's. Yes she has a big nose, but I didn't really have to magnify it.
I'm storing original, and all you PP masters can have a go at it. (And Captain C, since this was just for fun and at no cost, I can trash the photo, but can it be saved?"
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I am just new to photo touch up and love to experiment. Used FaceFilter Pro 3 and followed up by some touch up work in Photoshop Elements 11
Bushido
Loc: No Where and Every Where
Here is a 20 minute fix. I think it could be better if I spent more time on it.
buckwheat wrote:
A while back I asked about any experience with Model Mayhem. I received several replies, and I thank you. I met a young lady and we did an outside shoot in the desert, and you can see my problem. I did not have an assistant, I did not have reflectors, and I did not use fill flash. Now that we know the original mistakes I made, does anyone have any post processing suggestions to alter the highlight/shadow that makes her nose look like Jimmy Durante's. Yes she has a big nose, but I didn't really have to magnify it.
I'm storing original, and all you PP masters can have a go at it. (And Captain C, since this was just for fun and at no cost, I can trash the photo, but can it be saved?"
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CaptainC wrote:
Like I said - not repairable. Ever hear the term, "lipstick on a pig?"
The two "fixes" show no discernible improvement and have cost the posters minutes of their lives never to be recovered. :-)
Suck it up, throw it away, learn the lesson, move on.
Yes, yes, yes, you are so right. This shoot just did not work out and I'll make a note of it since I want to practice people shots.
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