lens cunundrum
Jun 15, 2013 21:45:24 #
I am tryimg to decide to replace my 100-400 f4 canonL series lens with the 70-200 f2.8 L series. Do those of you that know, think that the lens produces better bokeh and is it noticeably different? Im thinking it may be a better portrait lense. Or should i opt for thr 1.8 canon 85 mm
Jun 15, 2013 22:17:10 #
Pepper
Loc: Planet Earth Country USA
My opinion is that the 70-200mm f2.8 makes an excellent portrait lens and adds flexibility that the 85mm can not. The 70-200mm f2.8 in the Nikon world is very fast and tack sharp I assume the same is true with the Canon lens. I can't offer any opinion on your 100-400 as I've had no experience with that lens but I do have a Sigma 50-500mm that I would not consider using as a portrait lens.
Jun 15, 2013 23:07:38 #
Bokay is a bunch of BUNK! An idiot that wanted the spotlight renames "Shallow Depth Of Field" into a Yin/Yang...Feng Shui...Yuppie naming convention! It is just enough B.S. to make the Duh Generation go OOOOOH! But if you ask me....FengShui aside, here is the straight skinny!
It is only and opinion situation....Bokay works like this...If Nikon wants more money they contact this BOZO and have him give his B.S. opinion about one of their $2,000.00 lenses that they can't move quick enough, and VIOLA! This BOZO is all over PopPhoto and fauning all over Nikon for their beautiful BOKAY of this lens!
I renamed my shallow DOF background in my photos, for the wonks out there to understand that P.T Barnum was right! There's a Sucker born every minute, and it is against the law to let them keep their money! And
the makers of very expensive lenses know's this!
Please take this tongue-in-cheek! I am not making fun of you! I hate every money grubbing yuppy trying to make a name for him/herself by trying to rename every blasted thing, for The Political Correctness Crowd!...See Barak the Obama Democratic The Intelligence, Janitor, Librarian, and Lunch Lady...Especially see "Smokey the Bear",Easter the Bunny, and Santa the Claus...Only one is grammatically correct!
Your Call!
Hint....He does not have a last name! It is an identifier for the genus or species that makes him unique...Like Bozo the Clown, Kermit the Frog! See where the following go...Big the Bird, Howdy the Doody...Peter the Pan, or was that Pot??? Your call!
Now for more out of focus background use a longer tele zoom focal length, and set your camera on Aperture Priority, and set the lens on wide open...Take several shots at different aperture settings, and distances, and pick the best one you like! The Closer to the subject, the shallower the depth of field for any lens! Sooooo...Keep your 100-400 and save your money! If you have too, buy the Rokinon version of the 85mm and don't give your money to Nikon! Better yet! Keep what you have and Practice, Practice, Practice, and to hell with BOKAY! Go purchase a 1973 Peterson's "How to take pictures" B&W photo book...That was when the world was just about normal with photography...It was the 90's and the 00's that the idiots started coming out of the woodwork! BOKAY guy included! I've been shooting with teles since 1970, and if I want an out of focus background, I just opened the aperture, and shot away till I liked what I saw, of course, back then, it took me a week to develop the film to see if my experiment worked!
TODAY...YOU CAN'T WASTE FILM! Get it, Got it, GOOD!...Shoot ten shots of any subject at any aperture and throw away the ones you don't need or like....I figg'r, F:4.5, 5.6, 8, 11, and 16, ten times each, equals 50 pictures, and enough fodder for you to see the stupidity of that idiot's renaming and trying to define what is good and what is bad "Shallow Depth of Field!
See attached examples of SDF.
It is only and opinion situation....Bokay works like this...If Nikon wants more money they contact this BOZO and have him give his B.S. opinion about one of their $2,000.00 lenses that they can't move quick enough, and VIOLA! This BOZO is all over PopPhoto and fauning all over Nikon for their beautiful BOKAY of this lens!
I renamed my shallow DOF background in my photos, for the wonks out there to understand that P.T Barnum was right! There's a Sucker born every minute, and it is against the law to let them keep their money! And
the makers of very expensive lenses know's this!
Please take this tongue-in-cheek! I am not making fun of you! I hate every money grubbing yuppy trying to make a name for him/herself by trying to rename every blasted thing, for The Political Correctness Crowd!...See Barak the Obama Democratic The Intelligence, Janitor, Librarian, and Lunch Lady...Especially see "Smokey the Bear",Easter the Bunny, and Santa the Claus...Only one is grammatically correct!
Your Call!
Hint....He does not have a last name! It is an identifier for the genus or species that makes him unique...Like Bozo the Clown, Kermit the Frog! See where the following go...Big the Bird, Howdy the Doody...Peter the Pan, or was that Pot??? Your call!
Now for more out of focus background use a longer tele zoom focal length, and set your camera on Aperture Priority, and set the lens on wide open...Take several shots at different aperture settings, and distances, and pick the best one you like! The Closer to the subject, the shallower the depth of field for any lens! Sooooo...Keep your 100-400 and save your money! If you have too, buy the Rokinon version of the 85mm and don't give your money to Nikon! Better yet! Keep what you have and Practice, Practice, Practice, and to hell with BOKAY! Go purchase a 1973 Peterson's "How to take pictures" B&W photo book...That was when the world was just about normal with photography...It was the 90's and the 00's that the idiots started coming out of the woodwork! BOKAY guy included! I've been shooting with teles since 1970, and if I want an out of focus background, I just opened the aperture, and shot away till I liked what I saw, of course, back then, it took me a week to develop the film to see if my experiment worked!
TODAY...YOU CAN'T WASTE FILM! Get it, Got it, GOOD!...Shoot ten shots of any subject at any aperture and throw away the ones you don't need or like....I figg'r, F:4.5, 5.6, 8, 11, and 16, ten times each, equals 50 pictures, and enough fodder for you to see the stupidity of that idiot's renaming and trying to define what is good and what is bad "Shallow Depth of Field!
See attached examples of SDF.
90mm floral...YinShui, or BOFeng! More HaHa's
Polar Bear Ivory Statue...YinKay...ShuiBo...???
Last Blossom! Sigma 10-20 @ ten inches F:16...Excellent example of FengBo-ShuiKay!
Jun 15, 2013 23:21:38 #
Digiphot2 wrote:
Bokay is a bunch of BUNK! An idiot that wanted th... (show quote)
Damn! Take a pill or something!
Jun 15, 2013 23:22:23 #
You don't have a clue, do you, Digiphot2?
None of your samples show bokeh very well at all.
None of your samples show bokeh very well at all.
Jun 15, 2013 23:29:47 #
Pepper
Loc: Planet Earth Country USA
MT Shooter wrote:
Damn! Take a pill or something!
I'm thinking he already did :shock:
Jun 15, 2013 23:37:17 #
gordnanaimo wrote:
I am tryimg to decide to replace my 100-400 f4 canonL series lens with the 70-200 f2.8 L series. Do those of you that know, think that the lens produces better bokeh and is it noticeably different? Im thinking it may be a better portrait lense. Or should i opt for thr 1.8 canon 85 mm
If you want a portrait lens, I suggest you purchase a prime lens. If you need greater versatility, I would get the biggest/widest glass you can afford. But for portrait photography, you will need a shorter lens, 50mm-135mm t the most. In portrait photographs, you have all the control of focal length. Bokeh you can introduce with post processing. I would worry about how little a lens produces bokeh.
Jun 16, 2013 00:14:06 #
Jun 16, 2013 00:55:25 #
Clue? Please read up on this BOKAY wonk! then...
See: Shallow Depth of Field...John Hedgecoe...1981, The Photographer's Hand Book".
A horse by any color is still a horse! I find Thin skinned people do not like to be corrected, in spite of their lack of knowledge in the area of Photography. SMOKEY THE BEAR!
ShuiBo-FengKeh! The art of design that makes you feel good and be hazy at the same time you press the button!
Ahhhh! The gift of Poetry and Artistic expression at it's highest!
Look for me in the next PopPhoto rag...I am going to take the Photo world by storm....Eat your heart out! Watch for the new Photo Lexicon....SHUIBO-FENGKEH! Sorry for past missspelllings! Ha Ha!
I happen to be right in this case, because I have invented, and am interlacing, both esthetically perfect sciences, into a Multi Planar Artistic Nuance that can't be denied, because I have interjected a colloquialism intertwining both Chinese and Japanese American Photonic Lexiconizations, just like the term "Boke" in Japanese means something totally different when read in it's entirety...
The term comes from the Japanese word boke (暈け or ボケ), which means ... The Japanese term boke is also used in the sense of a mental haze or senility.
Do you truly know what a depth of field really is and how it comes into play in the projection of the image onto the sensor? Have you any idea of the term Circle of Confusion when related to the size of the aperture, and the distance of the subject from the camera?
CLUE? Kinda like the pot, calling the kettle black if you get my drift!
All I was getting at for this inquiring mind about her lens conundrum, was not to throw out the baby with the bath! Every lens if properly used, can produce a very nice out of focus background, or...SHUIBO-FENGKEH if you get my drift?
It isn't rocket science! Only Opinionations by The Opinionated! Those with nothing better to do than to bitch about something they know nothing about or how to reinvent the hotdog! Nothing more nothing less! Sorry if I bothered your Nintendo game.
I just elaborated, for your information, the idiocy of some people who want to rename the earth, or do away with Pluto. And you have to get nasty because I may have inspired in you the want and ability to compare and contrast two opposing views...
Bokeh and SHUIBO-FENGKEH! Albeit a quite sensitive subject in your case...on the subject of what makes a good lens and Political Correctness'sss insanity!
It is far better to remain silent, and be thought a fool, than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt!
Amen!
See: Shallow Depth of Field...John Hedgecoe...1981, The Photographer's Hand Book".
A horse by any color is still a horse! I find Thin skinned people do not like to be corrected, in spite of their lack of knowledge in the area of Photography. SMOKEY THE BEAR!
ShuiBo-FengKeh! The art of design that makes you feel good and be hazy at the same time you press the button!
Ahhhh! The gift of Poetry and Artistic expression at it's highest!
Look for me in the next PopPhoto rag...I am going to take the Photo world by storm....Eat your heart out! Watch for the new Photo Lexicon....SHUIBO-FENGKEH! Sorry for past missspelllings! Ha Ha!
I happen to be right in this case, because I have invented, and am interlacing, both esthetically perfect sciences, into a Multi Planar Artistic Nuance that can't be denied, because I have interjected a colloquialism intertwining both Chinese and Japanese American Photonic Lexiconizations, just like the term "Boke" in Japanese means something totally different when read in it's entirety...
The term comes from the Japanese word boke (暈け or ボケ), which means ... The Japanese term boke is also used in the sense of a mental haze or senility.
Do you truly know what a depth of field really is and how it comes into play in the projection of the image onto the sensor? Have you any idea of the term Circle of Confusion when related to the size of the aperture, and the distance of the subject from the camera?
CLUE? Kinda like the pot, calling the kettle black if you get my drift!
All I was getting at for this inquiring mind about her lens conundrum, was not to throw out the baby with the bath! Every lens if properly used, can produce a very nice out of focus background, or...SHUIBO-FENGKEH if you get my drift?
It isn't rocket science! Only Opinionations by The Opinionated! Those with nothing better to do than to bitch about something they know nothing about or how to reinvent the hotdog! Nothing more nothing less! Sorry if I bothered your Nintendo game.
I just elaborated, for your information, the idiocy of some people who want to rename the earth, or do away with Pluto. And you have to get nasty because I may have inspired in you the want and ability to compare and contrast two opposing views...
Bokeh and SHUIBO-FENGKEH! Albeit a quite sensitive subject in your case...on the subject of what makes a good lens and Political Correctness'sss insanity!
It is far better to remain silent, and be thought a fool, than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt!
Amen!
Jun 16, 2013 00:58:05 #
Digiphot2 wrote:
Clue? Please read up on this BOKAY wonk! then...... (show quote)
Proof once again that you are the one without a clue and have thin skin as well. Bokeh is not just shallow depth of field. It is about the blur quality of the out of focus areas. Lenses which demonstrate good bokeh are usually primes and bigher quality zooms. I hate the term myself, but at least use it correctly.
With a few exceptions, most peole here should concern themselves with lighting & posing than bokeh.
Jun 16, 2013 00:59:51 #
The 100-400L is a great wildlife lens. I take it that you're not into wildlife?
Jun 16, 2013 01:11:08 #
Jun 16, 2013 01:28:32 #
A good vantage point for taking pictures of a Pool party at 200 yards is quite exciting! Less likely to be tossed into the pool too! Ahhh! The wild life! Ha Ha! See attached!
Crawdad up close and personal!
Mantis 90mm Tamron macro
Close encounter of the Puppy kind!
Jun 16, 2013 01:34:48 #
But remember this...A good 100-400 is really a 150-600 on an APS sensor...Sooo...A spectacular portrait with a soft out of focus background, can be taken at a truly candid distance with less conspicuousness, and with more spontaneity from the subject being photographed!
Jun 16, 2013 02:13:55 #
I'm Sorry! I have been diagnosed with a mind altering malady called FALBRAGORNOFOPLASIA! It is terrible! I have been beside myself with an over exposure, as I have lost touch with the other me. My life is out of focus! And so for relief, my Psychiatrist recommended PROTHROMETASTIMINE , that brings my life back into focus @ F:8!
Gad I crack me up! This medicine is great! I'll be in the next Harvard Psychiatric Photo review...I am the.....
Gad I crack me up! This medicine is great! I'll be in the next Harvard Psychiatric Photo review...I am the.....
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