I love my Fuji X10 but.............. I got a used Fujifilm X10 a couple of weeks ago and I love it, it's a lovely little camera, nice fast F2.0 lens beautifully made with the feel and...

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Jun 12, 2013 05:51:25 #

farmerjim Loc: Rugby, England

I got a used Fujifilm X10 a couple of weeks ago and I love it, it's a lovely little camera, nice fast F2.0 lens beautifully made with the feel and look of an older range-finder camera. The results are very good and it's now my walk-around, never without camera, but.....the RAW results are terrible. I admit, I've only just started playing with RAW on this one and Iknew prior to getting it there were question marks over the X10's ability to produce worthwhile RAW shots but I figured, "I know what I'm doing, I'm sure the critics are wrong and I'll be able to get good RAW shots......" NO! I can't! :-(
Have any other Hoggers any experience with this?
I've attached to shots taken yesterday when we were shearing. First one is the JPG second is RAW . Both exactly same shooting conditions and PP. A little noise reduction was used on both but this failed to remove noise on the RAW shot.

JPG

RAW

Jun 12, 2013 06:15:31 #

fthomas Loc: Philippines

Disappointing for sure! I have been wanting to get something like the X10 and certainly can't afford the Leica. You are right, the RAW file contains a ton of noise and just looks flat. The jpeg actually looks better.

Jun 12, 2013 06:46:56 #

cockney greg Loc: London E17

Hear what you're saying jim, but a great shot none-the-less.

Jun 12, 2013 10:38:19 #

farmerjim Loc: Rugby, England

Thanks for the feedback, Fred and Greg. Looks like it might be something that could be fixed with firmware mod but I'll keep trying! Tried using Adobe Raw Converter and processing DNG files but there's not much difference, I've also used the "in camera" RAW converter and that gives the same results :-(
Having said all that, it's still a great little camera :thumbup: I'd recommend it to any photographer who's looking for something better than a P&S. The JPEGs are pretty stunning!

Jun 12, 2013 11:00:55 #

tramsey Loc: Texas

I have a friend that bought a Sony Cyber-shot DSC-RX100. It's a compact that shoots GREAT RAW and he like me and it sounds like you, is not that knowledgeable on RAW. But his photos with it are consistently very sharp. Give it a look, see. Here's a link

http://www.dpreview.com/products/sony/compacts/sony_dscrx100/specifications

Jun 12, 2013 12:00:15 #

farmerjim Loc: Rugby, England

Thanks Tramsey, I looked at the Sony RX100 but specifically wanted a viewfinder but it's a very nice camera.

Jun 12, 2013 13:03:24 #

St3v3M Loc: 35,000 feet

RAW photos are basically a negative and therefore require some post processing.
You think the JPG is better, but I wonder if you noticed the clouds are blown out on the JPG and still there on the RAW?
Edit the RAW photo more and you will understand how to use it.

Jun 12, 2013 13:13:47 #

rebride

Seeing as the the original OOC Jpg came from the same RAW data and you can not duplicate it when converting the RAW file again in camera sure is odd.
You might want to bring this up in one of the Fuji forums.
http://www.fujixseries.com/categories/Fujifilm-X10
http://www.fujixspot.com/f9/
Especially check out; http://www.fujixspot.com/f9/x10-works-really-well-lr-4-4-a-1138/

Jun 12, 2013 13:19:42 #

lorenww Loc: St. Petersburg

My thoughts are that the .jpg is processed in the camera from the original RAW image.
You should be able to tweak the RAW in PP to get similar or better results.

Jun 13, 2013 05:59:00 #

farmerjim Loc: Rugby, England

St3v3M wrote:

Thanks for the advice, I'm going to have another attempt to sort out these raw files on the X10. I've never had any problems before and I've used many different RAW files from many different cameras without any probs and always got good results.

Jun 13, 2013 06:08:13 #

farmerjim Loc: Rugby, England

Thanks for the links Rebride, every-one looks like they're using LR4.4, not something I use, I always use CS6, perhaps I should look into LR4.

Jun 13, 2013 06:21:08 #

farmerjim Loc: Rugby, England

lorenww wrote:

My thoughts are that the .jpg is processed in the camera from the original RAW image.
You should be able to tweak the RAW in PP to get similar or better results.

That's what I would have thought Lorenww but not yet. I'm going back to basics now! It's all in the sharpening process I think.

Jun 13, 2013 07:20:46 #

Beagleman Loc: Indiana

Check the DPreview website and search for "Best settings for the Fuji X10". As I remember there is some very helpful info. there.

--Beagleman

Jun 13, 2013 09:05:10 #

Dlevon Loc: New Jersey

farmerjim wrote:

I got a used Fujifilm X10 a couple of weeks ago an... (show quote)

Theres nothing wrong with some noise! Years ago we called it grain. Sometimes it makes the picture better. Now theres an anti-noise bandwagon!

Jun 13, 2013 10:15:30 #

nikonlad Loc: Venice, FL

I believe you should be able to improve over the JPEG result.

Try the Vivid or Landscape settings in CS6 to start with.
Then slight noise reduction, if needed.
Then exposure, highlights, clarity, and vibrance to taste.
Also, look at "camera settings" in the CS6 RAW menu to see if Adobe RAW recognizes your camera.
LR4 and CS6 use the same RAW engine.

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