California's Deficit ? (Page 8): Thee isn' t a bill around that doesn't have at least some pork in it. I recall that the bill didn't pass not because of pork but because Republicans...

Richard94611 Loc: Oakland, CA

Thee isn'
t a bill around that doesn't have at least some pork in it. I recall that the bill didn't pass not because of pork but because Republicans were attempting to block anything Obama wanted to do that would have been constructive simply because Republicans didn't want Obama do get any credit. What pork was in the bill ?

TrainNut wrote:

Without taxes the country can not run. But they have to be managed well. Balance is what we need but they can't agree on that.
"Pork" in bills is not good but is sometimes put in so it won't pass and then "they" can blame the outer side. It helps to watch what is going on and not to rely on the news people.

I do a lot of digging to find the truth but that is very hard sometimes.

davidrb Loc: Half way there on the 45th Parallel

Richard94611 wrote:

Thee isn'
t a bill around that doesn't have at least some pork in it. I recall that the bill didn't pass not because of pork but because Republicans were attempting to block anything Obama wanted to do that would have been constructive simply because Republicans didn't want Obama do get any credit. What pork was in the bill ?

:roll: :roll: :roll: This is a typical progressive rebuttal for anytime they get caught in a policy debacle. His top cop is a tax cheat, as is his homeland secretary. His head tax collector violated so many laws there isn't enough time left to go through all the possible indictments. It is beginning to look like DOJ has several year's worth of investigating to get to the bottom of this mess known as obama. DOJ, isn't that the outfit that is run by another crook?

Now, that is what the dems say is "progressive"? And just who follows the coat-tails of "progression"? None other than the notorious 47%, that elitist group of American free-loaders.

Richard94611 Loc: Oakland, CA

The fact remains -- after one sifts through all your blather -- that Republicans would not allow the jobs bill to pass in order to prevent Obama from accomplishing improving pour economy. Can you point to statements from Republicans about pork in the bill, made at the time they refused to vote for the bill. I bet not. The reason Republicans would not vote for the bill had NOTHING to do with pork.

davidrb wrote:

:roll: :roll: :roll: This is a typical progressi... (show quote)

Bmac Loc: Long Island, NY

davidrb wrote:

:roll: :roll: :roll: This is a typical progressi... (show quote)

Richard94611 wrote:

The fact remains -- after one sifts through all your blather -- that Republicans would not allow the jobs bill to pass in order to prevent Obama from accomplishing improving pour economy. Can you point to statements from Republicans about pork in the bill, made at the time they refused to vote for the bill. I bet not. The reason Republicans would not vote for the bill had NOTHING to do with pork.

Can you point to statements from Republicans about preventing Obama from improving the poor economy, made at the time they refused to vote for the bill? I bet not. 8-)

Richard94611 Loc: Oakland, CA

You know very well that the Republican Speaker of the House made a statement that his "number one priority" was to prevent Obama from being reelected. This statement was FAMOUS for explaining Republican intentions for their actions. It signified that he was willing to sacrifice the welfare of the nation in order to achieve his Republican electoral goals. That is why the jobs bill was voted down. You seem woefully uninformed about what went on. Check out Michael Grunwald's book "The New New Deal." McConnell engaged in a while series of obstructive moves, as have been detailed on pages 147-150, 158, 180, 210-214, 227, 236, 247, 293, 294, 345, 346, 399, 403-404. Maybe you, yourself, are just arguing for the sake of arguing and are unable to recall history. But a lot of us remember and can back up our memories of events with the record.

Bmac wrote:

Can you point to statements from Republicans about preventing Obama from improving the poor economy, made at the time they refused to vote for the bill? I bet not. 8-)

Bmac Loc: Long Island, NY

Bmac wrote:

Can you point to statements from Republicans about preventing Obama from improving the poor economy, made at the time they refused to vote for the bill? I bet not. 8-)

Richard94611 wrote:

You know very well that the Republican Speaker of ... (show quote)

A rather long post to not answer the question. 8-)

Richard94611 Loc: Oakland, CA

It gave the documentation that answers the question. You want quotes ? I'll give you quotes later, but must prepare for getting off to work. There's a limit to the amount of time I can spend to documenting political facts that are well-established and that informed people already know very well.

Bmac wrote:

A rather long post to not answer the question. 8-)

TrainNut Loc: Ridin' the rails

Richard94611 wrote:

It gave the documentation that answers the question. You want quotes ? I'll give you quotes later, but must prepare for getting off to work. There's a limit to the amount of time I can spend to documenting political facts that are well-established and that informed people already know very well.

"I'll give you quotes later, but must prepare for getting off to work."

Richard94611
Occupation: Retired

I guess that answers it all. :hunf: :-( :thumbdown:

yhtomit Loc: Port Land. Oregon

Richard94611 wrote:

You know very well that the Republican Speaker of ... (show quote)

Have you even read the Sandy bill?

RichardSM Loc: Back in Texas

You know and I know that both parties are rotten to the core, they should be voted out of office but that will be a cold day in hell before that happens "why" is because half this nation is on some kind relief so it won't happen any time soon. WE need to educate those folks if that's possible?

Richard94611 wrote:

You know very well that the Republican Speaker of ... (show quote)

TrainNut Loc: Ridin' the rails

RichardSM wrote:

You know and I know that both parties are rotten to the core, they should be voted out of office but that will be a cold day in hell before that happens "why" is because half this nation is on some kind relief so it won't happen any time soon. WE need to educate those folks if that's possible?

As Ron White says "you can't fix stupid"
Our forefathers were smarter than we are. They limited the right to vote to certain people and not every idiot that can be bought. :hunf:

gmcase Loc: Galt's Gulch

RichardSM wrote:

You know and I know that both parties are rotten to the core, they should be voted out of office but that will be a cold day in hell before that happens "why" is because half this nation is on some kind relief so it won't happen any time soon. WE need to educate those folks if that's possible?

I agree but even if they were informed they wouldn't care. They have little if any skin in the game so it would be detrimental to their cause of being intentionally parasitical. I am referring to those who are intentionally living off the system with purpose and intent to do so. I should add I include any businesses doing the same thing. In fact, they are the worst effenders.

Danilo Loc: Las Vegas

Richard94611 wrote:

A lot of the high speed train costs are being paid by the feds. YOUR tax dollars at work !

Maybe "a lot" Richard, but not by any means ALL. Several other states have opted out of the federal money, as they have to kick in their own, as well. I'm sorry to say Uncle Harry is pressing Nevada into the high-speed train debacle, as well, since the project will increase the value of several of his land holdings. Nevada will, of course, have to match the federal funds with money we do not have.
California's governor, Mr. Brown, has many years of practice spending other peoples money. He's become an expert, recognized all over the planet for his talent.

Danilo Loc: Las Vegas

Richard94611 wrote:

So you have worked with "homeless people," you say. Many of them, I know, are "homeless" due to mental problems. Does the fact that many are homeless because they cannot hold down a job due to mental problems cause the slightest bit of compassion in you ? Do you not realize that many of these people cannot help being homeless and suffer ?

As a side-note to the sub-topic of homelessness: Each locality has their own definition of "homeless". In Clark County (where I live) you are considered homeless if you reside in an apartment that rents on a weekly, or bi-monthly basis. I rent by the month, so am not considered homeless, yet most of these weekly or bi-monthly places charge an effective rate that's between 50-100% more than my rent. I don't know how they can afford to be "homeless", I couldn't afford it!
"Poverty" has similar definitions. I would have to almost double my income to achieve "poverty", yet I can afford my necessities, just not my desires. I've learned how to stop wanting things after a short period of wanting.