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Nov 23, 2011 22:07:41   #
marcomarks Loc: Ft. Myers, FL
 
johnr9999 wrote:
marcomarks wrote:
johnr9999 wrote:
marcomarks wrote:
johnr9999 wrote:
Just read an article about the Swedish Nature Photographer of the year having that honor removed when it was discovered he had Photoshopped all of his pictures of a rare endangered lynx (I think) from a stock photo.
I don't think anyone would disagree that this Photoshopping was wrong. Almost all famous photographers have done some post processing. Ansel Adams quit producing one of his most famous photos because he was spending all of his time dodging and burning it and couldn't spend any time doing photography. Somewhere between those two lies the line.
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I would disagree. It wasn't the Photoshopping that was wrong, it was the stealing of a stock photo. The honor should not be removed for PhotoShopping your own photo but certainly for stealing somebody else's.
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To represent a photograph under false pretenses is the thing that he did that was morally wrong. The unauthorized use of a stock photo was a side issue. Also, he represented that these lynx were seen in the area when they were not.
When I was in the sciences we had a large number of researchers that phonied their data and their credentials in order to obtain funding. My area was cancer research and by doing this these miscreants (I chose to use a nice word rather than the ones I wanted to) led a lot of reseachers down false paths.
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The unauthorized use of a stock photo is NOT a side issue. If you look at the bigger picture you'll see that stealing something, whether it gets used or not, IS morally wrong. Theft is a fineable and jailable offense according to the laws of every civilization and it's against the Bible's code of morals.

I have read, "Thou shalt not steal" as a directive to society. Our system of laws are also based on such a directive. I have never read, "Thou shalt not represent something as something that it is not." as one of the 10 main directives, although one is "Thou shalt not bear false witness against another." which is similar because it misrepresents the victim of the false witness.

Representing a photograph under false pretenses is only what the Swedish Nature Photographer group felt was worth retracting the honor for, and I would agree that it is proper on their part to do so. You didn't previously mention the part about the animal not being in the place the photographer said it was, but that is also representing the subject of the stolen photograph under false pretenses. Well worth a honor retraction but not a breaking of any law or commandment. Misrepresentation is lying and lying isn't something you are arrested for or convicted of.

Using the stock photo, whether purchased or stolen, under false pretenses is definitely secondary to the clearly moral offense of stealing that was done to the owner of the photograph and the agency representing the owner that was supposed to get profit when it was sold. But the owner's profit and the agency's profit were stolen. Using the stock photo was also stealing the honor that should have been awarded to another photographer and the thief almost accomplished that goal through the secondary action of misrepresentation.

The phoney data and credentials of your scientific cohorts are, in realty, another version of stealing. They stole funding from the sources. They stole research time from other researchers that is forever wasted and lost. They stole salaries for their personal gain from the funding source money. They stole the potential of living longer from those afflicted by the diseases they were supposedly researching. They slowed down the process of finding cures which has a long-term result of stealing life from even more people in the future afflicted with those diseases. They stole awards, honors, recognition, and satisfaction for a job well done from other researchers who may have found the real cure they were looking for if not for the phoney data they were misled by. Everybody was stolen from in your scientific scenario - including you.

Misrepresentation was merely a tool in both scenarios to achieve stealing.
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I agree with you on all points but to say something is a secondary is not to diminish the crime and immorality of the second. It is merely to say that they considered the phoneying of the photograph as the primary problem. That was their decision. The stock agency can handle the second problem, not something the Swedish association was prepared to deal with. Secondly, lying is against the commandments and lying to a police officer during an investigation (obstruction of justice) or in court (perjury) has the potential of landing you in prison. As far as morality goes theft is no less or no greater than lying, although I personally feel lying can do a great deal more damage to people.
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And thus we can agree to disagree!

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