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May 19, 2013 07:41:32   #
Nightski
 
Mick B wrote:
ThatÂ’s right Nightski, you tell them :)
I had even forgot I had auto on my camera.


Good for you Mick :thumbup: Thanks for the support!

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May 19, 2013 08:08:50   #
Radioman Loc: Ontario Canada
 
Nightski wrote:
To me, anything but manual is some sort of auto. I do understand the arguement of using av or tv to learn how the camera does the settings, but the camera is not always right. My point is this: If you really want to understand your camera, take your knocks in the school of manual.


Hi Nightski, Similar to the "British Politician" who can say "Well yes, and no" at the same time, I say the same to those who 'knock' the 'auto' features on todays DSLR cameras.

The first camera I had that had it's own light meter was the Pentax K1000. There is a pointer in the viewfinder to show when the exposure is right (with some +/-) The ISO/ASA was fixed by the film so one changed the Aperture and/or shutter speed, according to which was important to set the exposure. ( yes, an external light meter gave the same settings).

The modern DSLR cameras have much better light meters in that you can average the reflected light or pick one or more points in the scene. While I could manually use these readings to set the camera aperture, shutter speed, and these days also ISO/ASA, It is much faster to let the camera do this 'automatically' for me. ( With the +/- exposure setting).

I do agree with you that many people use Aperture or Shutter priority on 'Auto' and have no idea of what the camera is doing with the other settings. These are the people who wonder why some photographs are good, and others bad.

They probably do not know the difference between reflected and source light either, and why a good photographer will often use a light meter (source) for portraits and weddings.

So to come back to my original point, to the question of whether a good photographer will use a camera "Auto" setting:

"Well - Yes and No"

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May 19, 2013 08:44:02   #
paul2u Loc: W/PA
 
I like to think of it this way,
When I learned to to drive a car
I learned on a 3 speed stick shift
even thought the auto transmission was around
I learned how to drive a manual shift 1st
Glad I did cause I became a Over the Road Tractor
Trailer Driver in later years, 14 gears..So it pays to learn both Manual and Auto

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May 19, 2013 08:44:54   #
Papa Joe Loc: Midwest U.S.
 
Nightski wrote:
Papa Joe, I have been trying for 12 pages to explain to everyone that I only shoot in manual. My title was "tongue in cheek". The reason I started this thread was to convince people to quit trying to get me to shoot in av or tv or sports modeevery time I ask for a photo analysis. My title was meant to be humorous. Thanks for the support anyway.


I see, Nightski, and you have every right to do so :) There are always those who think if you don't shoot as they do, you're doing it wrong. Not so. If your results please you, and deliver what you 'saw' in your mind's eye, they you're succeeding in your efforts... manual or otherwise, eh? One thing for sure, you've sure generated lots of chatter :D Keep on keepin' on.

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May 19, 2013 09:16:46   #
Ralloh Loc: Ohio
 
Nightski wrote:
Every time I run into trouble with my DSLR, and I post a question, I have a certain number of people who always tell me to put my camera in an Auto Mode. I had my DSLR in auto mode for 5 years, and I came here to learn how to use it in Manual mode. Maybe they think my photos are so bad I'd be better off staying in Auto Mode, but if I'm going to do that, why not just use my Olympus TG1 and sell the Canon. What is the point of having a DSLR if you're not going to learn to shoot in Manual mode? And what's the big deal anyway? You Can Delete The Mistakes! And it doesn't cost extra! Anybody have any thoughts on this?
Every time I run into trouble with my DSLR, and I ... (show quote)


Absolutely. That is the beauty of digital over film. You can practice, practice, practice and it doesn't cost you a dime.

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May 19, 2013 09:20:13   #
rpavich Loc: West Virginia
 
Papa Joe wrote:
I see, Nightski, and you have every right to do so :) There are always those who think if you don't shoot as they do, you're doing it wrong. Not so. If your results please you, and deliver what you 'saw' in your mind's eye, they you're succeeding in your efforts... manual or otherwise, eh? One thing for sure, you've sure generated lots of chatter :D Keep on keepin' on.


Ok...Nightski...you're married I assume, so I THOUGHT you'd know this but I guess in representing husbands everywhere...I'll say it.

WE AREN'T GOOD AT TAKING HINTS! YOU HAVE TO SPELL IT OUT FOR US!

:)

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May 19, 2013 11:13:53   #
Pepsiman Loc: New York City
 
My Pentax (film) SLR is manual only including the focusing...

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May 19, 2013 12:14:36   #
Nightski
 
rpavich wrote:
Ok...Nightski...you're married I assume, so I THOUGHT you'd know this but I guess in representing husbands everywhere...I'll say it.

WE AREN'T GOOD AT TAKING HINTS! YOU HAVE TO SPELL IT OUT FOR US!

:)


Well, you'd think after 27 years, I would remember that!
:)

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May 19, 2013 12:15:19   #
Nightski
 
Ralloh wrote:
Absolutely. That is the beauty of digital over film. You can practice, practice, practice and it doesn't cost you a dime.


Thanks Ralloh. This is SO true.

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May 19, 2013 12:15:55   #
Nightski
 
Pepsiman wrote:
My Pentax (film) SLR is manual only including the focusing...


Thats brutal...the manual focusing thing. :D

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May 19, 2013 12:17:47   #
Nightski
 
paul2u wrote:
I like to think of it this way,
When I learned to to drive a car
I learned on a 3 speed stick shift
even thought the auto transmission was around
I learned how to drive a manual shift 1st
Glad I did cause I became a Over the Road Tractor
Trailer Driver in later years, 14 gears..So it pays to learn both Manual and Auto


I also learned to drive with a stick shift, and I took my drivers test with it. Now that I'm old and lazy I like the manual shift...but I'm not going to let that happen to me with my camera. :)

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May 19, 2013 12:18:57   #
Nightski
 
Radioman wrote:
Hi Nightski, Similar to the "British Politician" who can say "Well yes, and no" at the same time, I say the same to those who 'knock' the 'auto' features on todays DSLR cameras.

The first camera I had that had it's own light meter was the Pentax K1000. There is a pointer in the viewfinder to show when the exposure is right (with some +/-) The ISO/ASA was fixed by the film so one changed the Aperture and/or shutter speed, according to which was important to set the exposure. ( yes, an external light meter gave the same settings).

Well, thanks for taking a stand there, Radioman

The modern DSLR cameras have much better light meters in that you can average the reflected light or pick one or more points in the scene. While I could manually use these readings to set the camera aperture, shutter speed, and these days also ISO/ASA, It is much faster to let the camera do this 'automatically' for me. ( With the +/- exposure setting).

I do agree with you that many people use Aperture or Shutter priority on 'Auto' and have no idea of what the camera is doing with the other settings. These are the people who wonder why some photographs are good, and others bad.

They probably do not know the difference between reflected and source light either, and why a good photographer will often use a light meter (source) for portraits and weddings.

So to come back to my original point, to the question of whether a good photographer will use a camera "Auto" setting:

"Well - Yes and No"
Hi Nightski, Similar to the "British Politic... (show quote)


:lol:

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May 19, 2013 13:47:56   #
Bram boy Loc: Vancouver Island B.C. Canada
 
paul2u wrote:
I like to think of it this way,
When I learned to to drive a car
I learned on a 3 speed stick shift
even thought the auto transmission was around
I learned how to drive a manual shift 1st
Glad I did cause I became a Over the Road Tractor
Trailer Driver in later years, 14 gears..So it pays to learn both Manual and Auto

Yea you never know when your going to put 16 wheels under it , and a manual 23 speed gear box In it do you.

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May 19, 2013 13:51:51   #
Bram boy Loc: Vancouver Island B.C. Canada
 
Bram boy wrote:
Yea you never know when your going to put 16 wheels under it , and a manual 23 speed gear box In it do you.

Over the road track, trailer, drivers . What do the other ones go over. Gotche!

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May 19, 2013 14:23:21   #
Bram boy Loc: Vancouver Island B.C. Canada
 
Nightski wrote:
I also learned to drive with a stick shift, and I took my drivers test with it. Now that I'm old and lazy I like the manual shift...but I'm not going to let that happen to me with my camera. :)

You mean now that your old and lazy you like the auto shift dont you?

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