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Apr 19, 2013 06:49:13   #
moabarch Loc: Moab, UT
 
http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/borowitzreport/2013/04/courageous-senators-stand-up-to-american-people.html

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Apr 19, 2013 09:47:53   #
Frank T Loc: New York, NY
 
It was quite shocking to see that that the members of the Senate support allowing criminals and seriously mentally ill persons to purchase guns without background checks.
Somewhere along the way our Government got broken and our Representatives now think they work for Smith and Wesson.
To those folks, allow me to say, We will never give up! We will not go away. We will get change.

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Apr 19, 2013 10:06:19   #
moabarch Loc: Moab, UT
 
Frank T wrote:
It was quite shocking to see that that the members of the Senate support allowing criminals and seriously mentally ill persons to purchase guns without background checks.
Somewhere along the way our Government got broken and our Representatives now think they work for Smith and Wesson.
To those folks, allow me to say, We will never give up! We will not go away. We will get change.


well said.

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Apr 19, 2013 11:08:00   #
sourdough58 Loc: Maine
 
Frank T wrote:
It was quite shocking to see that that the members of the Senate support allowing criminals and seriously mentally ill persons to purchase guns without background checks.
Somewhere along the way our Government got broken and our Representatives now think they work for Smith and Wesson.
To those folks, allow me to say, We will never give up! We will not go away. We will get change.


Twenty Thousand Gun-Control Laws? Not being enforced now , and you think 1 more law will fix everything, IF you really want to help why dont you do things that will help and really make a difference.
1. Impeach Judges that dont enforce the gun laws we have now.
2. impeach Judges that give light sentences to criminals that use guns in their crimes.
3. Stop letting the bad guys out of jail " early " for good behavior.
4. Stop blaming and punishing law-abiding people for the crimes of a few.
and many more, but this list will keep you busy for a while If you are serious about " Fixing " the broken Government.

Its very easy to look at these anti- gun blogs and get all emotional what I will challenge anyone to do is take out the word "Gun" and put in "car" and read it thru now apply it to real life does it fix the problem?, or does it just "feel good" to have done something. Some of the gun laws if applied to cars will help you make sense of it.

1. I was going 45 in a 25 zone and killed a person,
1. solution: we will fix "your" car to make it harder for you to go 45 mph.
2. If someone in your family lost their license to drive we will confiscate your car with no resolution, because they "Have " access to your car.
Remember "If it saves one life it will be worth it all"

CDC
Accidents or Unintentional Injuries
(Data are for the U.S.)

Health care use
Number of emergency department visits for unintentional injuries: 29.3 million
Source: National Hospital Ambulatory Medical Care Survey: 2010 Emergency Department Summary Tables, table 17 [PDF - 481 KB]

Mortality
All unintentional injury deaths
Number of deaths: 120,859
Deaths per 100,000 population: 39.1
Cause of death rank: 5
Unintentional fall deaths
Number of deaths: 26,009
Deaths per 100,000 population: 8.4
Motor vehicle traffic deaths
Number of deaths: 33,687
Deaths per 100,000 population: 10.9
Unintentional poisoning deaths
Number of deaths: 33,041
Deaths per 100,000 population: 10.7

April 19, 2013 / Vol. 62 / No. 15
CE Available

Motor Vehicle Traffic-Related Pedestrian Deaths — United States, 2001–2010

Motor vehicle traffic crashes are the leading cause of unintentional injury-related death in the United States, resulting in 33,687 deaths in 2010. Pedestrian travel makes up 10.5% of all trips (i.e., any travel from one address to another) taken in the United States, and pedestrians represent 13% of all motor vehicle traffic-related deaths. To determine traffic-related pedestrian death rates by sex, age group, race/ethnicity, and urbanization level, CDC analyzed 2001–2010 data from the National Vital Statistics System. This report describes the results of that analysis.

http://www.brookings.edu/es/urban/publications/gunbook4.pdf

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Apr 19, 2013 11:48:55   #
Yoos2 Loc: BC Canada
 
"Its very easy to look at these anti- gun blogs and get all emotional what I will challenge anyone to do is take out the word "Gun" and put in "car" and read it thru now apply it to real life does it fix the problem?, or does it just "feel good" to have done something. Some of the gun laws if applied to cars will help you make sense of it."

How about putting in the word "pressure-cooker" and we have solved the repeating of the most recent terrible tragedy in Boston.
John

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Apr 19, 2013 11:57:00   #
Frank T Loc: New York, NY
 
Comparing guns to cars is ludicrous and you know it.

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Apr 19, 2013 12:13:28   #
Wabbit Loc: Arizona Desert
 
Frank T wrote:
It was quite shocking to see that that the members of the Senate support allowing criminals and seriously mentally ill persons to purchase guns without background checks.
Somewhere along the way our Government got broken and our Representatives now think they work for Smith and Wesson.
To those folks, allow me to say, We will never give up! We will not go away. We will get change.


Hey Doc ..... Sure you'll get change Frank ..... don't spend it all in one place ..... 2 or 3 cents maybe ..... ha,ha,ha,ha

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Apr 19, 2013 12:58:17   #
sourdough58 Loc: Maine
 
Frank T wrote:
Comparing guns to cars is ludicrous and you know it.


Yes and it is ludicrous to think that passing more gun laws by some senators that barely know which end the bullets come out of and that if the new laws that they want had been in place would not have stopped even one of the school or movie theater killings.

By the way, Boston, basically unarmed is being held hostage by a Terrorist who is armed running around Boston, If only someone had told him about all the laws he was breaking by having a gun, making a bomb, killing people, this whole nasty thing in Boston could have been avoided, Oh wait he probably knew what he was doing was wrong and evil I guess he did not care if he broke the law.

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Apr 19, 2013 13:14:59   #
moabarch Loc: Moab, UT
 
sourdough58 wrote:
Yes and it is ludicrous to think that passing more gun laws by some senators that barely know which end the bullets come out of and that if the new laws that they want had been in place would not have stopped even one of the school or movie theater killings.

By the way, Boston, basically unarmed is being held hostage by a Terrorist who is armed running around Boston, If only someone had told him about all the laws he was breaking by having a gun, making a bomb, killing people, this whole nasty thing in Boston could have been avoided, Oh wait he probably knew what he was doing was wrong and evil I guess he did not care if he broke the law.
Yes and it is ludicrous to think that passing more... (show quote)


OK. LET's just do nothing about anything because nothing will help. There are obviously no solutions to any problem, so let's dissolve the government, do away with all laws because there are alwYs going to be folks who are hell bent on breaking the law anyway....so why try? My gawd, what a revelation.....Anarchy forever!

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Apr 19, 2013 13:18:54   #
sourdough58 Loc: Maine
 
moabarch wrote:
OK. LET's just do nothing about anything because nothing will help. There are obviously no solutions to any problem, so let's dissolve the government, do away with all laws because there are alwYs going to be folks who are hell bent on breaking the law anyway....so why try? My gawd, what a revelation.....Anarchy forever!


Twenty Thousand Gun-Control Laws? Not being enforced now , and you think 1 more law will fix everything, IF you really want to help why dont you do things that will help and really make a difference.
1. Impeach Judges that dont enforce the gun laws we have now.
2. impeach Judges that give light sentences to criminals that use guns in their crimes.
3. Stop letting the bad guys out of jail " early " for good behavior.
4. Stop blaming and punishing law-abiding people for the crimes of a few.
and many more, but this list will keep you busy for a while If you are serious about " Fixing " the broken Government.

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Apr 19, 2013 13:34:31   #
moabarch Loc: Moab, UT
 
sourdough58 wrote:
Twenty Thousand Gun-Control Laws? Not being enforced now , and you think 1 more law will fix everything, IF you really want to help why dont you do things that will help and really make a difference.
1. Impeach Judges that dont enforce the gun laws we have now.
2. impeach Judges that give light sentences to criminals that use guns in their crimes.
3. Stop letting the bad guys out of jail " early " for good behavior.
4. Stop blaming and punishing law-abiding people for the crimes of a few.
and many more, but this list will keep you busy for a while If you are serious about " Fixing " the broken Government.
Twenty Thousand Gun-Control Laws? Not being enforc... (show quote)


I never once have said one more law will fix everything. What I did mean to imply was that we need to try at least something. If that includes some of your ideas as stated above so be it. But there is also no reason to not at least try to improve upon the laws....and then, yes, enforce them.

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Apr 19, 2013 14:56:15   #
Frank T Loc: New York, NY
 
Doing nothing has never changed anything.
We will prevail.

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Apr 19, 2013 15:26:00   #
Danilo Loc: Las Vegas
 
Frank T wrote:
Doing nothing has never changed anything.
We will prevail.


If it ain't broke, Frank, fix it 'till it IS.
I hope everyone contributing to this thread has noticed the linked article is nonsense. It even says: "the news reshuffled" in the byline. Many of the quotes are inaccurate...it's a SPOOF! You're trying to have a reasonable discussion based on an idiots' idea of a joke.
The legislation in question is, so far, redundant and totally ineffective. If someone wants more legislation, at least make it productive legislation.

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Apr 19, 2013 15:33:45   #
Wabbit Loc: Arizona Desert
 
Danilo wrote:
If it ain't broke, Frank, fix it 'till it IS.
I hope everyone contributing to this thread has noticed the linked article is nonsense. It even says: "the news reshuffled" in the byline. Many of the quotes are inaccurate...it's a SPOOF! You're trying to have a reasonable discussion based on an idiots' idea of a joke.
The legislation in question is, so far, redundant and totally ineffective. If someone wants more legislation, at least make it productive legislation.


Hey Doc ..... how many reasonable discussions you think there have been here .....

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Apr 19, 2013 15:40:24   #
moabarch Loc: Moab, UT
 
Danilo wrote:
If it ain't broke, Frank, fix it 'till it IS.
I hope everyone contributing to this thread has noticed the linked article is nonsense. It even says: "the news reshuffled" in the byline. Many of the quotes are inaccurate...it's a SPOOF! You're trying to have a reasonable discussion based on an idiots' idea of a joke.
The legislation in question is, so far, redundant and totally ineffective. If someone wants more legislation, at least make it productive legislation.


of course it's a spoof. It makes its point perfectly. Did anyone think it was not?

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