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Apr 13, 2013 12:43:31   #
ted45 Loc: Delaware
 
Richard94611 wrote:
I have answered a good deal of your post about the history of Mexico and the United States in another post. However, your comments about stupid laws in California really aren't germane to the discussion. Every state has stupid laws. I remember that in Massachusetts fifty years ago there was a law that you couldn't mow your lawn on Sunday ! In other words, pleasae discuss history in a substantive way.


Your original post was based on what you perceive to be an accurate description of Arizona educational standards. “In other words, please discuss history in a substantive way." Your suggestion to have an Arizona license slogan of "Arizona The Stupid State." has nothing to do with history. My reference to stupid laws was in response to your original post. You gave no proof that your statement was correct and I doubt that it is.

You further post where you state "I wonder how the students are ever going to learn that in 1850 the United States literally stole a vast amount of territory, including Arizona and California, from Mexico." again has nothing to do with real history. You cite a book by Zinn as the ultimate authority on the Mexican War. What proof is there that Zinn has the only correct description of what went on? I have read multiple accounts from multiple sources. They all point to a war started by Mexico that they lost. The Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo was based on the fact that they lost. The history of this country began with travelers from the Far East crossing the land bridge between Siberia and Alaska. Those early "invaders", to use your mind set, proceeded to travel south stealing and settling areas from the existing population. Of course no one has been able to identify the existing population if there was one, as yet. The area you refer to as Mexico was stolen by early Spanish settlers. The area we call the U.S. was conquered and often purchased by settlers from all over the world. The Spanish, newly named Mexicans, battled the U.S. for the land and lost. A payment of $15 million in 1850, approximately $20 billion today, was no small sum of money but it was made to settle the dispute. The entire history of the world is a story of invasion and conquest of one people over another. I am not going to cry or express shame for my country over its small role in the scheme of things. History is a telling of what happened as far as we can determine.

Several civilizations have attempted to reformat their histories including the Nazis, Communists and American liberals. You can support these fairy tales if you like, I don’t. The United States is the greatest experiment in freedom in the history of the World. Is the history as pretty as we would like? Probably not but I am not going to apologize for it any more than I will apologize for being born white.

If you really want to whine about poor Mexico and what was stolen from it; go to Spain and berate them for killing off the Mayans and Incas so they could have Mexico.

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Apr 13, 2013 12:49:11   #
ted45 Loc: Delaware
 
Richard94611 wrote:
What we're hearing in WaltG's comment below is not an expression of interest in facts, but an expression of misguided patriotism. If the truth is unpleasant, he doesn't want it told. Wasn't it Twain who commented that the last refuge of scoundrels is patriotism ? And was it not the philosopher Santayana who stated that those who don't remember the past are destined to relive it ? If WaltG wants to live in ignorance, so be it. One cannot argue with a closed mind.


"One cannot argue with a closed mind” if you opened your own mind enough to read what you write the truth of that statement would be obvious. You give no consideration to anything that doesn't match your way of thinking and then resort to insults to use for punctuation of your myopic point of view.

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Apr 13, 2013 12:59:57   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
Richard94611 wrote:
I discovered the other day that in the State of Arizona, it is against the law in public school at least to teach "ethnic studies" and also "evolution." If this isn't a sign that this state's legislators (and probably most of its people) are ignorant, nothing is. It conjures up images of Hitler's men prancing around a fire and throwing forbidden books into it.

How about a license plate holder that reads: "Arizona. The Stupid State."


Hello Richard!!! I can't speak to "evolution" but there is a solid reason for the ethnic studies issue.... I am not at all familiar with the laws you speak of but I am familiar to the ethnic studies that were being taught in their schools prior... La Raza studies were openly teaching that the Southwest of the US does not belong to this country, in public school classrooms students were being taught that the federal government is not a legitimate government and that it should be overthrown by force... They were being openly taught that this country has basically raped the Hispanic population of the southwest... the list goes on... This is not appropriate material for our public high schools.... Children 14 to 17 years of age do not have the knowledge base nor the critical thinking skills to properly evaluate such material or even find resources that would make a counter argument... They were being fed revolution by a group of angry far left activists openly calling for civil disobedience all taught through the lens of CRT. Not appropriate...

Watch the youtube video, it is a good start on beginning to understand why these laws came about.

http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-215_162-4227721.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-Ha5ZQGJ-w

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